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Reply #30 - Sep 1st, 2018 at 9:14pm
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the one that intrigues me is the Reilly on the Tranter patent.It looks like a simple action that might be somewhat easy to make. Does anyone have any info on these?


If  you are interested I could pull it apart and get some pictures to you, if you think that could help
  
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Reply #31 - Sep 2nd, 2018 at 2:32pm
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I would be interested also in seeing the parts.
  
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Reply #32 - Sep 4th, 2018 at 9:22pm
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Sorry for the delay but things have been difficult here as of late.

I have some rudimentary pictures here. Haven't pulled it completely down as I just want to be sure that I won't need some special tool to put it back together. Way things are going that's what would happen.

Left side
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Right side, upper tang removed
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Extractor type, this is a different rifle, but this type of extractor
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If and when I can get time, I'll see if I can't get it all broken down
  
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Re: English rook rifles
Reply #33 - Sep 5th, 2018 at 10:45pm
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I googled Tranter patent rifle and got quite a bit of info.If you go to Images and scroll down you will see a drawing of the Rook rifle. It looks like it would be a good candidate for a home build. I went to the Firearms Tech Museum site and found a lot of info on Tranter and his firearms, I printed a copy of the Rook and I think it might almost be full size. Paul
  
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Re: English rook rifles
Reply #34 - Sep 6th, 2018 at 12:30am
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Huvius,
Thank you for posting pictures of your Webley.   I like it!  I have one of Rodney's castings that I'm working on as a demo for the students in my night class.  Undecided on the caliber it will become but I'm leaning towards the 25-35 W.C.F. - Mr. Winfer commented that it was actually one of the calibers the rook was chambered in, since I don't remember having a firearm chambered in this...   Smiley
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Re: English rook rifles
Reply #35 - Sep 6th, 2018 at 11:32am
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The Webley round breech block is a fine, beautiful little action, but use caution selecting cartridges for them.
Most of the breech block support comes from the bottom of the loading trough.
The high walls don't offer much support because they tend to spread outward from the round breech block.
Have seen gaps between the breech block and sidewalls.
I don't rate the action as that much stronger than a Winchester Low-Wall.
Just my opinion, others disagree.
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Reply #36 - Sep 6th, 2018 at 1:44pm
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Chuck,
Thanks for the bit o wisdom, I have not studied the frame casting real close - time has been spent on the lower tang and lever.   A quick glance at it originally and there appeared to be considerable material back side of the breech block area -the casting has no material removed for the loading trough so there was plenty.  Laying a cartridge in the area - as per my photo, much of this support will go away.  I will recalculate stress and strain to surface area before choosing a cartridge for this.  The only up side to this is it is modern steel (8620) vs whatever was used at the turn of the century.
Huvius,
If at some time would you post or PM a picture from the top -  breech open and closed?
Thanks,
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Re: English rook rifles
Reply #37 - Sep 6th, 2018 at 2:39pm
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Greg,
Here are some pictures.
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Was a good discussion here with pictures and finite element model but turned into a P-contest and OP deleted everything.
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OP sometime posts here if he sees this.
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Reply #38 - Sep 9th, 2018 at 10:22am
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Hivius, I have an Army and Navy like the one you have pictured. Have you any idea as to who made it? Mine came to me from a good friend many years ago. It has been relined to a K Hornet and has an Alaskan up top. It draws blood often. It is my favorite rifle.
  
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Re: English rook rifles
Reply #39 - Sep 15th, 2018 at 10:54pm
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There has been a lot of talk about the round block acting as a wedge on these small 02 Webleys.
Must not have bothered Holland & Holland as they did build one in 22 Savage Hi Power!


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Re: English rook rifles
Reply #40 - Sep 15th, 2018 at 10:57pm
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gwahir wrote on Sep 9th, 2018 at 10:22am:
Hivius, I have an Army and Navy like the one you have pictured. Have you any idea as to who made it? Mine came to me from a good friend many years ago. It has been relined to a K Hornet and has an Alaskan up top. It draws blood often. It is my favorite rifle.


I am thinking that Webley made this Army & Navy.
Read somewhere that he angle on the barrel just behind the forend was a Webley thing.
  
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Reply #41 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 11:04am
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Huvirus, thanks for proving background concerning the Army and Navy. I have waited several decades to find someone to whom I could address the question!
  
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Re: English rook rifles
Reply #42 - Sep 18th, 2018 at 9:39am
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I love that small frame Snyder, they don't come any better than that.
Thank you for the picture, Lee Gibbs
  
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Re: English rook rifles
Reply #43 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 6:16pm
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I have a very nice W C Pape side lever in 295/250 and my primary reason for posting is to inquire as to whether anybody out there ever see one ?
This is in nice shape but frankly 1/2 the reason I bought it, it was the only one I ever saw or heard about though I am familiar with there shotguns.
  
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Re: English rook rifles
Reply #44 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:39am
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Can the 250 Rook cartridge be reloaded from modern components?  Is there any brass that might work?
  
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