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Re: Dedicated Offhand Rifle Barrel Recommendation
Reply #15 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:18pm
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Dedicated? Don't think I have a dedicated rifle.

Re-read patriots initial post.  Most common configuration for the 44 1/2 Stevens.

Okay, that works.  The 28-30 inch # 3 barrel on the purely target rifles. What we now call Schuetzen rifles.  That's my guess.



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Reply #16 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 2:30am
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patriot wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 10:48pm:
What 22 rimfire barrel length and weight, shooting irons, is most common for an offhand rifle (Steven 44 1/2)?† Thanks

I think Joe, nailed it! Note that Patriot says that he wants to shoot iron sights.

The 28+" barrel helps with that and the #3 weight holds the rifle weight down. He could also add a front sight extension. Personally, I like a lot of barrel weight and for myself, I would go with a #4 barrel.

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Reply #17 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 8:29am
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When ordering my CPA offhand Schuetzen I had the benefit of using my Anschutz 54 Super Match to set up the basic dimensions.† Fully adjustable buttplate comb palm rest and ability to weight the muzzle. What I came up with was the Schuetzen CPA uses on their web site photo. High Pope comb, hook plate, palm rest two 28 inch† barrels .22 & 32/40.† Rifle weighs 14 lbs with scope. Long is better when the Iron sights are used. Itís light as a feather compared to NRA rule (flat plate no palm rest 10lb 2 oz) Silhouette Rifle.

I wanted strictly traditional and Way I see it long and heavy helps you hold close, depend on getting the bullet out before you move, you are lost from the start.

As a side note I plan on selling that rifle, owned it 22 years, no offhand Schuetzen competition near me. Lots of single shot offhand matches that donít allow Schuetzen configuration. Hate to let it go but sitting idle is wasted. I envy you guys that have offhand Schuetzen matches within reasonable driving distance.

Post it later when I can inventory the outfit.

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Re: Dedicated Offhand Rifle Barrel Recommendation
Reply #18 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 10:24am
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It's kind of up to personal preference I like a 28' barrel but some like shorter.
Interestingly I had a chance to look over Arthur Elliot's personal rifle. It has a 32" barrel that like his mentor Pope was left just like it came off the rolls. Its about 1 5/16" in diameter. Elliot shot it both offhand and bench. Theh must have made them stronger back then.

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Reply #19 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:38pm
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Whether they made them stronger back then is debatable but during Schuetzen's Golden Age (c.1890-1917), rifles of the top tier shooters commonly weighed in the 12-16 pound range. For many of us, this might seem heavy. Bear in mind that the match formats back then were quite different than today's matches.
  

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Reply #20 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 2:00pm
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RSW wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:38pm:
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Whether they made them stronger back then is debatable but during Schuetzen's Golden Age (c.1890-1917), rifles of the top tier shooters commonly weighed in the 12-16 pound range. For many of us, this might seem heavy. Bear in mind that the match formats back then were quite different than today's matches.

I don't think that they "made them stronger" but, the guy's of that time, most likely practiced more than us modern day guy's of 60+.

They did have the 100 shot matches, at that time and to do well, with a heavy rifle in that match, you did need practice. You have to realize that you strengthen the mussels that you use and you can't use them w/o practice.

It was a whole different mind set at that time. Shooting sports was in the top 3 (if not #1) of prominence, through out the USA. It was like modern day NFL but, you didn't need size and bulk to do it, just practice and skill. While we can all practice not all have the skill it takes to get to the top though Sad

When I started this in '85, it didn't take long to adjust to my 14lb rifle, I got a 6.5x20 Leuplod to start out in the lower magnification but, within 6 months, I left it set at 20X. I was 40 years old then, youth (if you can call it that at 40) and practice allow me to do that. For me, it was mostly dry firing. I was still lacking in skill though Sad

At almost 74, I can still hold a 14lb rifle for a 20 shot OH match, I don't practice and my scores show that, too.

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Reply #21 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 2:38pm
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I envy you guys that have offhand Schuetzen matches within reasonable driving distance.  Me too, Boats.  Closest OH match to me is over two hundred miles away. I do a lot of driving.



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Reply #22 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 3:44pm
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boats wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 8:29am:
I wanted strictly traditional and Way I see it long and heavy helps you hold close, depend on getting the bullet out before you move, you are lost from the start.


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That is for sure  Grin  Say you chop 6 inches off the barrel from 28 or 30 inches and your bullet is traveling 1400 fps.  How much difference can the point of aim move in .00036 of a second? Undecided 
  

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Reply #23 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 4:41pm
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I believe Anschutz said 19" was the optimum length as far as standard velocity 22's. After that velocity would  not normally increase. That's why their 20 series rifles came out at that length.
  
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Reply #24 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 5:08pm
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     Useful bbl length for OH is not related to ballistically-optimum length.  It's all about balance, balance, balance.

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Reply #25 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 7:25pm
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Once shot a 237 with my Stevens 44, 30 inch #3 weight barrel.  Iron sights.

Really don't care about the ballistics.




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Reply #26 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 8:58pm
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I used to love listening to the high power shooter discuss wind, speed, minutes, angles of this that and something else. Then they'd determine the precise width of the front sight and apperture and such as that. I always figgered it was so they could be certain to miss the bullseye with precision.
  
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Reply #27 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 10:33pm
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Can someone say why muzzle heavy is better.
  
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Reply #28 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 10:36pm
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Less moment of inertia - takes longer to get the barrel moving.

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Reply #29 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:09pm
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The scientific explanation is the tail wagging the dog.



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