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Reply #60 - Nov 5th, 2018 at 10:58pm
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Charming.

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Reply #61 - Nov 5th, 2018 at 11:01pm
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Vall,

I have typically been looking for shooters not collectors, but now that I have accurate rifles in a variety of calibers, I am going to start saving for (hopefully) economical all original collectibles. Don't be surprised if I make some offers on Ballards for sale on your tables in Portland.á áWink


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Reply #62 - Nov 5th, 2018 at 11:10pm
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Rebel I havent seen the $1500 Pope but I have bought two for under 3k in the past two years. I sold a rifle through Rock Island about 2007 and bought back the same gun last year for half what I had sold it for again through Rock Island. I think in the next 10-15 years a lot of old collections are going to be broken up and sold off. Coupled with the declining interest I think you may find that $1500 Pope yet. The guys that built big collections buying in the 1940s and 50s died off in the 80s (ie John Amber et al). The next wave of die offs will sadly happen in the next 10-15 years.  There have already been a couple big collections sell off in the last year or two. For what I primarily collect and am interested in the most active collectors are in their mid 70s. It makes me sad to think that I will most likely have to watch these collecting friends die. Some see the inevitable and have their collections catalogued and ready for the auction block while others wont budge $200 on a $7000 gun and their good for nothing kids will sell a million dollars of guns off for $2k to the local gunshop who will dump everything on gunbroker- or the kids will turn them in to a police buyback program for some walmart giftcards- that really has happened btw.
  
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Reply #63 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 1:27am
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I'm one of those mid '70's guys who are still buying what I like because I like what I am buying. Not too worried how much my family will sell them for when I'm gone. I have always told my wife, who has no idea what my collection is worth, that when I'm gone she will be glad I collected guns rather than playing golf or chasing women. They will be worth something and I enjoy my hobby. Hope I wil get my Pope Stevens yet. Never sold a gun for more than a small loss yet, but I'm not done yet. I learned a long time ago to collect what I liked and enjoy it and not worry about the money end of it. My sister in law passed a way earlier this year. She collected a large number of porcilin Christmas houses. Had a sizable amount of money in them. They were not worth much when she passed but she really enjoyed them while she was alive. Enjoying our time here is what it is all about.
  
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Reply #64 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 9:49am
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Remember the 50's...Schuetzen rifles were raped and made into varmint rifles!  I see at out range all the time,black plastic,these young guys uh and ah over a Buddies trick AR Platform.I'll have one of my gorgeous guns out and they dont even look at it.They cant shoot worth S """  either. Shoot what you have and enjoy it.You cant take them with you.......
  

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Reply #65 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 10:45am
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Personally I think a $1500 Pope is pie in the sky. Not that someone might not stumble across one from a family who is unaware of it's value, but it's not likely.
However if one is being realistic, an under $3,000 Pope is a reality today. A decade ago a Pope under $3k that was in nice condition was crazy talk, but not so today. Same for a Schoyen, or other famous named guns. They all were well over $3,000 when offered, but not so today.
That's not to say every Pope, Schoyen, etc. is going to be under $3,000, but it is very possible to find a good one in nice condition under that price. It was less than 2 years ago that I was offered a factory engraved Ballard with Pope barrel and false muzzle. I offered $7k for it, and the seller laughed at me. He still has it, and told me not long ago that he should have taken my offer as he can't get close to that today.
I really "needed" it then, but have two that together cost less than what I offered him back then. So I am no longer in "need" of his. I still want it, but just don't need it.
  

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Reply #66 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 12:26pm
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At the Denver show there were two beautiful Ballard Schuetzens laying right next to each other. I want to say they were #6s but cant recall honestly. One had a very shootable Schoyen barrel. Both were in the mid to low 2K range and there were several other very fine single shot target rifles in the low 2k range. I think antique arms collecting is a wonderful hobby, brings huge satisfaction, links us to history and brings us together as collectors and competitors. As a financial endeavor ? Eh.
  
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Reply #67 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 12:43pm
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Zack T wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 12:26pm:
At the Denver show there were two beautiful Ballard Schuetzens laying right next to each other. I want to say they were #6s but cant recall honestly. One had a very shootable Schoyen barrel. Both were in the mid to low 2K range and there were several other very fine single shot target rifles in the low 2k range. I think antique arms collecting is a wonderful hobby, brings huge satisfaction, links us to history and brings us together as collectors and competitors. As a financial endeavor ? Eh.


Yes, I looked both over very closely, and bought the Schoyen. The other had a stock that had been shortened and the wood added back on pretty nicely. But at equal prices I chose the Schoyen barreled #6.
And it has proven to be a great shooting rifle. It was there the year before also, at a higher price. Seller did come down off this year's lower price too, so even better.

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Reply #68 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 2:58pm
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Am so glad you got that rifle. I picked it up and put it down 3x. The only reason I didnt buy it is because I had to rally my re$ources to bring home a slotterbek 74 sharps.
  
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Reply #69 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 7:39pm
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Zack T wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
Am so glad you got that rifle. I picked it up and put it down 3x. The only reason I didnt buy it is because I had to rally my re$ources to bring home a slotterbek 74 sharps.


Thanks Zack! I built a Schoyen style palm rest for it, and tried to match it to the wood. I think it was a huge bargain at the price. I too looked at it several times last year, and several more this year.
I know the seller, and I've purchased from him before and he's a good guy.
  

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Reply #70 - Nov 7th, 2018 at 6:00pm
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I once had a rule that I would not keep a gun that I had not fired in five years; thus, every four years and ten months required a very dedicated weekend at the range.

A friend collecting Trapdoor Springfields told me his "buy of the century" comes by every three years, just be patient.

Buy what you want, shoot it and trade it for another shooting interest if your tastes change.

Gun values fluctuate and you have to stay in the current trend of the market to make money.
  

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Reply #71 - Nov 8th, 2018 at 10:18am
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I don't think I could ever set a time limit for keeping a gun, or randomly sell a gun because of a self imposed time limit. It would be like adopting a kid, and deciding a time frame for keeping them.
I am happy to sell a gun or two if I've lost infatuation with them, or locate something I'd rather have and sell them to fund the purchase. But if money wasn't in the mix I'd never sell any of them, and simply add more as something new caught my eye.
  

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Reply #72 - Nov 8th, 2018 at 10:16pm
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I wonder how "common sense gun safety laws" like were overwhelmingly passed in Washington State will effect gun collecting?

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Reply #73 - Nov 8th, 2018 at 10:46pm
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MARTIN NIEMÍLLER: "FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE SOCIALISTS..."

I don't think total gun control, (pronounced ban) which is inevitable in America, will come in one fell swoop.

Most likely, the last firearms to be banned will be antique singleshot rifles and top break shotguns.

With nothing else legal, values will soar.

Aaron
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Reply #74 - Nov 8th, 2018 at 11:01pm
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JS47 wrote on Nov 8th, 2018 at 10:16pm:
I wonder how "common sense gun safety laws" like were overwhelmingly passed in Washington State will effect gun collecting?

JS

Do you think the black market demand will begin to soar, thereby increasing prices?
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