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Reply #75 - Nov 9th, 2018 at 9:42am
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I don't fully understand the recent voter approved gun law changes in Washington, but like most they are sneaky and misleading so they're easy to pass.
As Aaron mentioned the antigunners have figured out how to peck away at gun ownership, and I too believe that the antique long rifles will be the last to be affected. People with no gun knowledge look at these guns and don't see them as scary. Where they look at a modern rifle in a tactical stock and don't care (or know) if it's a bolt action or semiauto. Either way it scares them.
Laws like what Wa. passed only succeed in making old collectible guns even more desirable, and taking away people's rights to own modern firearms. Considering one part of the new Wa. law was to raise the age limit to buy semiauto rifles to 21, I can't help but wonder if it will be fought in the courts? It most certainly violates a person's rights if they're 18-20 years old. They can vote, serve in the military, shoot those guns in the military, protect our country, but come home and not own a semiauto rifle.
  

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Reply #76 - Nov 9th, 2018 at 10:45am
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Just wondering. Are you seeing the same price drop in the accessories that you are seeing in SS rifles or are they holding steady?

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Reply #77 - Nov 9th, 2018 at 11:29am
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Flatlander wrote on Nov 9th, 2018 at 10:45am:
Just wondering. Are you seeing the same price drop in the accessories that you are seeing in SS rifles or are they holding steady?

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I have not seen any drop in some accessories. The tools that are custom built shooter's kit pieces are still crazy high, and I don't see them dropping.
Factory tools on the other hand like those made by Ideal, and others seem to be a little lower.
Factory tools made by the gun makers seem to be holding steady, and the rarer they might be, the better they're holding value. Some of these factory tools rarely show up, and when they do even poor condition pieces get a lot of money if they're not often seen.
I wish those custom tools like Pope molds, Pope and Schoyen powder measures, or lube pumps, etc. would drop in value! Just so I might be able to locate some I could afford to buy!
  

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Reply #78 - Nov 9th, 2018 at 3:15pm
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marlinguy wrote on Nov 9th, 2018 at 9:42am:
I don't fully understand the recent voter approved gun law changes in Washington, but like most they are sneaky and misleading so they're easy to pass.
As Aaron mentioned the antigunners have figured out how to peck away at gun ownership, and I too believe that the antique long rifles will be the last to be affected. People with no gun knowledge look at these guns and don't see them as scary. Where they look at a modern rifle in a tactical stock and don't care (or know) if it's a bolt action or semiauto. Either way it scares them.
Laws like what Wa. passed only succeed in making old collectible guns even more desirable, and taking away people's rights to own modern firearms. Considering one part of the new Wa. law was to raise the age limit to buy semiauto rifles to 21, I can't help but wonder if it will be fought in the courts? It most certainly violates a person's rights if they're 18-20 years old. They can vote, serve in the military, shoot those guns in the military, protect our country, but come home and not own a semiauto rifle.

Vall,
How long do you think it will be before the bureaucrats in Salem, OR decide to copycat the new WA State law?
Now that the non-shooting non-hunting bureaucrats in WA State have succeeded in re-classifying the Browning Semi-Auto 22 (and Remington 24), the Win 03 and Win 63, the Ruger 10-22, and all other semi-auto hunting rifles as "semiautomatic assault rifles" , how do you figure that banning semi-auto rifles will make old singleshots more desirable?
Why won't hunters and shooters just go out and buy Henry, Rossi and other new leverguns?
I don't see that Militaria Collectors will suddenly make a switch over to singleshots either. Will the resale value of all those "sniper" scopes start falling?
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Reply #79 - Nov 9th, 2018 at 5:22pm
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how do you figure that banning semi-auto rifles will make old singleshots more desirable?

People like their firearms.
If there are only singleshots, the price will go up.
Seems simple.

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Reply #80 - Nov 9th, 2018 at 5:45pm
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Rebel wrote on Nov 9th, 2018 at 5:22pm:
how do you figure that banning semi-auto rifles will make old singleshots more desirable?

People like their firearms.
If there are only singleshots, the price will go up.
Seems simple.

Aaron

Or they will carry on as usual. Some that have been interviewed have publicly stated that they will ignore provisions of the new law.
And when the law is finally applied to all "singleshot assault  rifles", are you prepared to undergo the mandated firearms safety training and recertification every 5 years to be able to purchase a new-to-you old Stevens Favorite, Crackshot, Rem #4, pick your flavor singleshot?
Singleshots go bang, and scare the hell out of the ignorant and uninformed too.
  

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Reply #81 - Nov 9th, 2018 at 10:41pm
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There are a lot of things involved in the push for more gun control laws. The recent mass shooting in California for one. The fact that the high capacity magazines that the shooter used are illegal in California doesn't stop the push for more laws that will not stop it. Saw a piece on the news today about doctors pushing to get involved in gun control because they are tired of working on so many shooting victims. The fact that the odds of me dying of a medical mistake are higher than me being shot never comes up. A swift and sure death penalty is a good place to start but half the country opposes it. Wish I had an answer. We just got a new Democratic Governor in Illinois who will be pushing for more gun control and bans on assault weapons. Not sure what to do when my posession of an AR 15 makes me a fellon. Tough decisions to make. Good news is my single shots will be the last to  be banned. Bad news if I am a fellon because I have an AR 15 they could take all my guns. My wife and daughter think that they don't want to take my guns. I think they are sadly mistaken.
  
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Reply #82 - Nov 9th, 2018 at 11:21pm
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And when the law is finally applied to all "singleshot assault  rifles", are you prepared to undergo the mandated firearms safety training and recertification every 5 years to be able to purchase a new-to-you old Stevens Favorite, Crackshot, Rem #4, pick your flavor singleshot?
Singleshots go bang, and scare the hell out of the ignorant and uninformed too.


The sky is not falling.
What I'm prepared to undergo has nothing to do with my opinion of the pricing of singleshots in the future.
It' a weird tangent you're on. Grin

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Reply #83 - Nov 9th, 2018 at 11:30pm
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Rebel wrote on Nov 9th, 2018 at 11:21pm:
And when the law is finally applied to all "singleshot assault  rifles", are you prepared to undergo the mandated firearms safety training and recertification every 5 years to be able to purchase a new-to-you old Stevens Favorite, Crackshot, Rem #4, pick your flavor singleshot?
Singleshots go bang, and scare the hell out of the ignorant and uninformed too.


The sky is not falling.
What I'm prepared to undergo has nothing to do with my opinion of the pricing of singleshots in the future.
It' a weird tangent you're on. Grin

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Aaron,
Never said the sky was falling.
Just looking at all the little "tidbits" that were snuck into the new law. Provisions can affect future trends, and trends can affect future prices.    Wink
  

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Reply #84 - Nov 9th, 2018 at 11:32pm
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No doubt that gun laws are making younger folks from discovering the shooting sports. Especially in the urban centers of our country, which is where you find most young people. Gun laws in urban centers are stifling, range memberships, guns and ammo are expensive propositions for any young person whose just starting out. To them, it's more of a hassle than just going bowling or for dinner and drinks. Sure, kids out in the countryside can enjoy shooting sports, but I'm sure their numbers won't come close to the urban populations. My son and I had a long talk regarding this topic and his view was that before he spent money on a gun, (any gun) he would rather have a new guitar. He enjoys the few I've given him, but doesn't feel the urge for more. His local range is $175.00/yr. He would rather spend that on a season snowboard pass. I hate it that this seems to be the way things are going, but in spite of that I'm going to keep fighting for RKBA!! In spite of our dope a$$ new senator. Sheesh...
  
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Reply #85 - Nov 9th, 2018 at 11:39pm
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I can attest from history in other countries where I have friends who collect, and had similar bans in place. In Amsterdam they changed gun laws to put a limit on the number of modern firearms a person could personally own. Gun owners who owned over the limit (If I recall it was 10 or 12 guns post 1898?) had to sell the excess. Gun shops knew they had folks over a barrel, so paid next to nothing for the guns, and then made big profits selling them to others who were under the quota.
But since pre 1899 guns weren't included in the total, the values of those guns skyrocketed. Especially if they were in calibers owners could easily reload for!
So yes the antique guns that are considered "non guns" by FFL would go higher as other post 1898 guns were controlled, limited, or banned.
It's happened in other countries also, and the results were the same.
  

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Reply #86 - Nov 9th, 2018 at 11:54pm
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Vall,

Did any of those countries begin requiring firearms and ammunition storage at the physical locations of registered/licensed Shooting Clubs/Ranges, while prohibiting any/all home storage?
  

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Reply #87 - Nov 10th, 2018 at 12:28am
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BP wrote on Nov 9th, 2018 at 11:54pm:
Vall,

Did any of those countries begin requiring firearms and ammunition storage at the physical locations of registered/licensed Shooting Clubs/Ranges, while prohibiting any/all home storage?


My friend in Amsterdam doesn't have any special rules on ammo or firearms storage. It's all at home.
He did tell me that when they first began the law there wasn't any exception for antique guns. But after he'd sold about 50-60 gun they changed the law 6 months later to exempt antiques! He was really pissed, as he'd sold antiques to keep some modern guns he wanted. He tried to buy them back from the gun dealer, but he'd tripled the price on what he paid for them.
What's interesting is they didn't ban any assault type weapons. They were treated the same as all other modern weapons in the count. He sold a few old single shots, and lever actions, and kept his FN-FAL.
If I recall this all happened in the late 1980's? Been too long to remember exactly.
  

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Reply #88 - Nov 10th, 2018 at 1:25am
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I was told about the Club storage requirement when talking to a couple shooters when I was in Heidelberg. One had managed to collect a few Colt Single Actions, which he visited when time allowed him to do so.
Interesting that the ban affecting your friend in Amsterdam didn't exempt any antiques for that half of a year.

  

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Reply #89 - Nov 10th, 2018 at 8:25am
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Amsterdam is also weird. Grin
I wouldn't draw any conclusions from their actions.

In Connecticut, after Sandy Hook, they banned any handgun with a magazine in front of the trigger guard. That effected most Olympic style target pistols. You had to register them as assault weapons.
You couldn't sell assault weapons except to dealers for sale out of state.
Later they passed an exemption for Olympic pistols.

I sold my GSP .22 with the 32 conversion parts for $2200 a year later.
I had to give the guy his money back and take back the gun because they never made a list of what was an Olympic style pistol, probably still haven't. Could have arrested us.

I don't compete any longer if you need a Walther GSP.
NRA Bullseye, now called Precision Pistol, isn't big with the spray and pray crowd.

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