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Winchester 1885 High Wall Varminter in .220 Swift
Dec 9th, 2018 at 2:42pm
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I should know better than to watch online auctions since I have more than enough project guns already, but I was watching an auction yesterday and bought a 1913 mfg Winchester 1885 High Wall that has been converted into a varmint rifle in .220 Swift using a Model 70 barrel.  I can't really complain too much since I paid what the scope was worth for it and basically got the rifle for free.  Now I have to wait for it to arrive so that I can have a closer look at what I just bought!

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Reply #1 - Dec 9th, 2018 at 2:52pm
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Sounds like you got a hell of a deal and congratulations. I am sure it will serve the intended purpose you have planned out for it very well.

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Reply #2 - Dec 9th, 2018 at 4:17pm
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.220 Swift.....WOOF
That's a speedy high wall!

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Reply #3 - Dec 9th, 2018 at 5:19pm
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Reverend Al wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 2:42pm:
I can't really complain too much since I paid what the scope was worth


What is it?  Is that "bump" near the forward end for focusing?
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 9th, 2018 at 9:34pm
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Redsetter wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 5:19pm:
Reverend Al wrote on Dec 9th, 2018 at 2:42pm:
I can't really complain too much since I paid what the scope was worth


What is it?  Is that "bump" near the forward end for focusing?


I think the "bump" is the scope stop to keep it from backing out of the mounts. The scope is pulled forward in the pictures, so the stop isn't in it's usual location.
  

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Reply #5 - Dec 10th, 2018 at 1:40am
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Wonder if they shot the bore out of it?  They do that when you shoot almost a mile per second  Grin
  

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Reply #6 - Dec 10th, 2018 at 8:17am
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That is a nice looking rifle and in one of my favorite calibers. I had two Swifts and they were both extremely accurate. The nice thing is they can be loaded down a little and still out perform most without burning them up. Good luck with it. ratseye
  
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Dec 10th, 2018 at 1:40am:
Wonder if they shot the bore out of it?  They do that when you shoot almost a mile per second  Grin


That's probably why the .220 Swift died. It was such a hot caliber, and people loved pushing them to the maximum. Many ended up shot out, and either got set back, rebarreled, or put in a corner.
Hope Al's is still accurate and not eroded ahead of the chamber!
  

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Reply #8 - Dec 10th, 2018 at 2:02pm
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There is a price to pay for speed!! Eroded throat or healthy citation.There are also ways to minimize the damage, but why would one buy a Ferrari and drive it at 75mph?
  

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Reply #9 - Dec 10th, 2018 at 2:04pm
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Drive it like you stole it, and rebarrel it when you run out of gas.
  

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The had the same problem with the 264 Winchester Magnum. Could be wrong but I believe he said he was going to use for a new project and not as is.
  
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Reply #11 - Dec 10th, 2018 at 2:56pm
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Al,
Was the scope identified?

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Reply #12 - Dec 10th, 2018 at 3:31pm
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I know a fellow who used a Swift to punch  a hole in the web of a railroad rail.  First try failed so he used more hotter powder and it punched a nice round hole.  Roll Eyes

  

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Reply #13 - Dec 10th, 2018 at 7:08pm
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frnkeore wrote on Dec 10th, 2018 at 2:56pm:
Al,
Was the scope identified?

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All the auction description said was "with Unertl scope" so I'm in the dark until it arrives and I can get a much better look at it.  I sent the auctioneer a query asking what power the scope was and any other details they could supply, but I didn't get a response back before the auction started so I threw all caution to the winds and just bought it anyway ...

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Reply #14 - Dec 10th, 2018 at 7:13pm
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rkba2nd wrote on Dec 10th, 2018 at 2:04pm:
Drive it like you stole it, and rebarrel it when you run out of gas.


Their description said "good bore", but in a Swift that could mean anything I suppose ...  I figured for the price I paid for it ($625 plus auction fees) I can pull the barrel off and put it back into something a bit more traditional.
  

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Reply #15 - Dec 10th, 2018 at 7:22pm
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That was a great buy for that money. I had a 264 too and it was a one shot, drop them were they stand killer, even in Africa. That didn't get loaded down at all but the Swift with heavy bullets can run cooler enough with the right powder to stay out of burning up for a long time. I also have a 5.6x61 vom Hofe that runs a home made 77 grain bullet up to 3700 fps and will shoot 1/2" groups doing it. I don't push it up there all the time either but I can. There is a lot of truth to "speed costs". Thanks, ratseye
  
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Reply #16 - Dec 10th, 2018 at 8:17pm
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Looks like you did just fine ratseye  Grin

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ratseye wrote on Dec 10th, 2018 at 7:22pm:
That was a great buy for that money.

And that was in Canadian dollars too of course ...

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Well, I just got an email notice that a parcel arrived at the house so I think this rifle may have just shown up ... but it's out in Victoria and we're still out in Manitoba until January 4th!  Our next door neighbours are taking care of the mail for us while we're away so it'll just have to sit and wait until we get back home again ...

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Reply #19 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 4:05pm
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Well, we got home from Manitoba and I picked up the High Wall from my nearby Postal outlet.  The Unertl looks to be a "small game" 3/4" in 6 power which I will now transplant onto my British proofed Low Wall in .22 WCF since it just plain suits it better.  It has been re-blued and still has some light pitting that wasn't properly filed and polished before it was re-blued.  At some point I'll re-barrel the High Wall from .220 Swift into something more traditional in a lead bullet cartridge.  Maybe if I dig deep enough and get lucky I can find a "pull-off" High Wall barrel locally to transplant onto it, or if I find a pull-off barrel with a rough bore it could be a candidate for a RKS re-bore.  Anyway, for what I paid for this rifle complete with the Unertl it was a great deal ...
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Reply #20 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 9:37pm
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"Best laid plans of mice and men" ...

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Took a few minutes today to remove the Unertl small game scope off the 1885 High Wall in .220 Swift planning to put it onto the 1885 Low Wall in .22 WCF.  It is already drilled and tapped for Unertl bases, but had plug screws in the 4 holes on the barrel.  Figured I'd swap the bases from the round barrel High Wall onto the round barrel Low Wall since the hole spacing appeared to be the same.  Had trouble getting the plug screw out of the hole closest to the action as it didn't appear to be turning out.  Got it out, but when I went to attach the rear Unertl base I found out that the hole is stripped and the mounting screw just "free-wheels" in the hole.  It looks like I'll have to take it to my gunsmith buddy and get the hole re-tapped to a larger size.  I'll likely get him to re-tap all 4 of the base mounting holes to the same size so that they all match.  Not the end of the world, but it delayed getting that little Unertl scope mounted today so that I could see how it looks on the smaller rifle ...

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Reply #21 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 12:28am
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Rev, you might consider using a heli-coil thread repair kit on the one bad hole.  They are available in small sizes from MSC. Possibly other sources as well.

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OK, I'll ask my gunsmith buddy about that.  He might already have access to them?  I'll check and see.  Thanks!
  

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Reply #23 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 12:49pm
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Too small for a helicoil to really work well. I drill them out larger and then thread for a plug I make first. Loctite it in the hole, and then drill and tap back to the original thread size.
  

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Reply #24 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 5:31pm
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Thanks for that, it sounds like a good fix ... I'll suggest it to my gunsmith buddy!  I really like the idea of keeping all 4 holes the same original thread rather than having one "odd-ball" sized hole or re-tapping all 4 of them larger.
  

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Brownell's makes a tap just for that purpose you just run it in the same hole or all four if you want them all the same. The screws are just a bit over size at 146X48 and I believe # 080-719-112 per doz.  just varify if ordering the tap.
  
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+1 works like a charm!
  

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Taking it out to my gunsmith friend on Monday morning ... he's going to take Val's suggestion and plug the stripped hole and re-drill and tap the dressed off plug to match the other 3 original mounting holes.  I'll keep you posted as to how he makes out with it.
  

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A bit of an update.  I guess I need to wear my "close-looker" glasses when I'm trying to work with my old guns ... LOL ...
Took the Low Wall .22 WCF and bases out to my gunsmith buddy this morning and it turns out that base mounting hole in front of the receiver was OK after all ... it was the base mounting screw that was stripped!  He did have to drill out one of the plug screws from a front base hole since it was so badly burred off on top that you couldn't get a screwdriver onto it to thread it out.  He just emailed me and said that it's all ready to go, so I'm picking it up tomorrow morning before I head out to the range to meet a shooting buddy at 12:00 noon so that I can take it along with me and try putting a few rounds through it.
Can't wait ...
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Picked up the Low Wall this morning and took it to the range.  Miserable day and poured rain, but my shooting buddy and I persevered regardless and shot for 2 1/2 hours.  That little 3/4" Unertl Small Game looks perfect on the .22 WCF Low Wall so it will live on there steadily now.  Took a bit of adjustment, but finally got it on paper at 100 yards with some 80 to 90 year old .22 WCF ammo I had.  About 2 out of 3 were "duds" and the ones that did fire mostly hang-fired up to about 1/2 second which made for some interesting shooting.  Also lots of smoke and sparks out of the muzzle with lots of powder residue left in the barrel.  At least I got to shoot it today and after adjustments it was keeping the rounds that did fire in an 8" bull target at 100 yards.  I need to break in my NOE 45 grain plain base .228" mould and load some fresh ammo to try next time.

Also shot the Low Wall in .38 WCF and managed to get it on paper at 100 yards too, although the sight picture was a challenge.  The front sight pretty much covered the entire target at 100 yards so most of it was guess-work.  Tried adjusting the single set trigger but couldn't get it to set.  Ran the screw all the way out and then down until it was bottomed out, but couldn't get it to set in any position.  I'll have to pull the buttstock to see if there is anything obviously wrong with it, and if not then I'll soak the trigger mechanism with some solvent, clean it, and then see what happens.

All in all a good day at the range regardless of the weather ...

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If thats a pre-70 barrel it will be a 26" stainless,  I bought a pre-70, 220 swift a lot of years ago.  It had about 6 inches washed almost out ahead of the chamber.  I sent the barrel to Ackley and had it bored out to a 7mm.  Then put the barrel back on and chambered it to a 7mm Rem Mag.  made a really great hunting rifle.  if yours is washed out you might want to consider making it into a 25-06 if you want a varmint  rifle that will reach out there and touch em.
  
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I prefer old, traditional cast bullet calibres in my single shots and have still been mulling over what to re-barrel this HW into.  I've been considering a Ron Smith re-barrel into .32-40 or .38-55 or maybe even .38-56 WCF since I already have dies for it and several suitable moulds.  Failing that I don't have a .40-65 WCF at the moment either, although I have other .40 calibre rifles including an original .40-82 WCF HW. A .45-90 might be interesting to play with?  I have a .50-70 Govt. in a NY Militia Rolling Block rifle, but another .50-70 or even a .50-90 might be fun too.  Decisions, decisions ...
  

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Reply #33 - Apr 24th, 2019 at 6:03pm
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PS: I just got a reproduction set of lens covers / dust covers for that 6 power Unertl Small Game scope I put onto my LW from "pronechamp".  They were very reasonably priced and VERY well made.  If you need to replace any missing Unertl lens caps / dust covers I'd drop him a line ...
  

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Reply #34 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 12:09am
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Al,
My vote is for the 38-56.  I just had Manson grind a reamer up for this - my dies I'd picked up were a set of Redding and fortunately I thought to run a few brass through it before just ordering the reamer...  When I ordered the reamer, Dave sent me a print and asked that since there were several slight variations to that cartridge - compare his drawing to what the die produced.  The body angle and length on mine was slightly different but the big difference was the shoulder and neck dimensions.  Dave made the corrections so the reamer and die would be real close.   He said it would probably be a month or two for delivery as he was back logged, I told him that wasn't a problem, I was building the rifle and it'd be longer than that before I got it done - it showed up in a couple of weeks- They are fantastic folks there.
NOW, I changed my other mind, the action I was going to put this on is still a long ways out- but there's a Highwall with a cobbled set of set triggers that's just screaming for this barrel - (I can hear it  Smiley).  Wonder what wood I'm going to use? and what other little feature do I want to make to make this one different? It was just a poor orphaned little parts action that's getting a new lease on life...  Grin
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