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Fred Ross
Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:48pm
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I have always been amazed of Fred Ross of Springfield MA. and his skill as a marksman for the Stevens company during the grand era of the schuetzen game in the USA. Would love to see any photos of him or his rifles used.
  

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Reply #1 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 1:21am
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Frederick C. Ross was indeed a skilled marksman and worked and shot closely with HM Pope. He also ran the barrel making operation for Stevens-Pope barrels after Pope parted way with Stevens. Some say his barrels after Pope left were as good as Pope's, and from what I've seen they shoot as well.
I'll have a look through my books and see if I can scan a picture of Frederick Ross.

  

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Reply #2 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 3:10pm
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I supplied John with a photo of Ross on pg 188 in his book, but there is a better photo of his face on pg 339.
  

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Reply #3 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 7:47am
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I would like to know more about John's book. what is the book called?
  

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Re: Fred Ross
Reply #4 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 9:24am
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rifal wrote on Jan 13th, 2019 at 7:47am:
I would like to know more about John's book. what is the book called?


John Dutcher's Ballard book, now out of print & selling for around $200; includes a wonderful collection of period photos.
  
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rifal wrote on Jan 13th, 2019 at 7:47am:
I would like to know more about John's book. what is the book called?


"Ballard, The Great American Singleshot Rifle".
  

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Reply #6 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 1:33pm
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It has been said Ross learned from Pope and there were some Ross barrels supposedly going out the door as Pope's but I am not sure how truthful that might be. The relationship between Pope and Steven's was not a good one to say the least and I do believe it could have caused there to be some questionable information being tossed about.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 1:39pm
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JLouis wrote on Jan 13th, 2019 at 1:33pm:
It has been said Ross learned from Pope and there were some Ross barrels supposedly going out the door as Pope's but I am not sure how truthful that might be. The relationship between Pope and Steven's was not a good one to say the least and I do believe it could have caused there to be some questionable information being tossed about.


Ross worked at Stevens right alongside Pope in the barrel making dept. When Pope had his famous falling out with Stevens Ross took over. Stevens-Pope barrels made up to around 1300 serial number or so were when Pope was there. But Stevens-Pope barrels number up somewhere around 1800-1900 serial range, so obvious that Ross made confirmed barrels marked Stevens-Pope after Pope left.
It took a letter from Pope to Stevens to get Stevens to stop using his name on their barrels. But Ross continued making barrels after the rollstamp was changed also.
  

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Reply #8 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 2:09pm
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Marlinguy so was Ross copying Pope's barrels at the time or was he using something a bit different during that time. I know very little about the man and if he was copying Pope did he gone on to develop his own rifling design or did he continue to copy Pope's through his barrel making life span.
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 3:14pm
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JLouis wrote on Jan 13th, 2019 at 2:09pm:
Marlinguy so was Ross copying Pope's barrels at the time or was he using something a bit different during that time. I know very little about the man and if he was copying Pope did he gone on to develop his own rifling design or did he continue to copy Pope's through his barrel making life span.


Ross' rifling was just like Pope's and left hand twist also John. I own a Stevens-Pope done by Ross and it looks just like my Pope barreled rifles. If we didn't know when Pope left, we couldn't tell the difference examining the bores.
  

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Re: Fred Ross
Reply #10 - Jan 24th, 2019 at 7:49pm
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Ross rifling was not like Pope rifling he used a 8 groove right hand twist. When he was rifling a Stevens Pope Barrel then it was just like Pope’s left hand twist rifling.
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 24th, 2019 at 8:53pm
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Gain SS Jeff or possibly not ?
  
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Reply #12 - Jan 25th, 2019 at 8:32am
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s.s.jeff wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 7:49pm:
Ross rifling was not like Pope rifling he used a 8 groove right hand twist. When he was rifling a Stevens Pope Barrel then it was just like Pope’s left hand twist rifling.


My reference to Ross' rifling being just like Pope's was pertaining to Stevens-Pope barrels made by Ross after Pope's departure. He made those barrels exactly as Pope made them.
  

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Reply #13 - Jan 25th, 2019 at 12:13pm
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What became of Ross after Stevens ceased mfg. of high-grade target rifles?  After the war, did he find employment with any other gunmaker?
  
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Reply #14 - Jan 25th, 2019 at 6:17pm
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At some point of his life he was a sheet metal worker and installed furnaces.
  
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