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Hubalek Ballard
Feb 15th, 2019 at 12:14pm
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This is not mine. Thought it might be of interest.

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Reply #1 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 12:47pm
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Thank you Powderman and a Striker action also quite rare it's a beautiful rifle and the price to me seems fair.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 1:46pm
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They suggest it might be a Dorhn action, but I believe those actions were scaled down Ballard actions, and this appears to be full sized? But maybe it's tough to determine size on the images?
I don't see any factory Marlin markings, but probably were polished off when they did the non factory engraving prep. It is a pretty nice gun, and I don't think their price is unreasonable. Especially considering the scope with it.
  

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Reply #3 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 2:13pm
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marlinguy wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 1:46pm:
They suggest it might be a Dorhn action, but I believe those actions were scaled down Ballard actions, and this appears to be full sized?


Seller says "small," and must have been provided with excellent notes by original owner, as he says George Worn is probably the true builder of the action.† Strange that Worn could be misconstrued as Dorhn, but Dutcher shows a photo of one marked G. Worn.
  
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Re: Hubalek Ballard
Reply #4 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 2:28pm
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I owned the one that is pictured in Dutchers book on Ballardís the action was made by a fellow named Worn, I believe. They were cast receivers and over 1 inch shorter than a Ballard reciever. I have a mold on all the internals and  have had some cast. I will show some pictures later. Very neat lever and quick striker action.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 2:33pm
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Regardless of what it's called, it's not the smaller Hubalek Ballard striker action. I think Salter is trying to add some desirability to a gun that doesn't need it. It's already a good gun, and the price is good too.
  

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Reply #6 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 3:13pm
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I don't see any factory Marlin markings, but probably were polished off when they did the non factory engraving prep.

Vall, have you ever seen an original Marlin Ballard action with that many casting pits, or even any?

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Reply #7 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 4:16pm
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My LGS had a full size striker Ballard a few years ago. Not as pretty, but maybe $1100 wasn't a bad price.
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 5:03pm
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Bill Lawrence wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 3:13pm:
I don't see any factory Marlin markings, but probably were polished off when they did the non factory engraving prep.

Vall, have you ever seen an original Marlin Ballard action with that many casting pits, or even any?

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No, not even one pretty rusty old Ballard I once owned decades ago had that much pitting. Guessing it was worse before the extensive polishing.
I also wonder if it isn't a newer casting that was assembled with the Hubalek barrel and parts?
  

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Reply #9 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 5:48pm
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Did you miss the below discreption? or are you now talking about another rifle not related to the link.

This was once part of the collection of Ben Park, a Kansas City target shooter who knew Hubalek personally, and, as attested to in an attached affidavit, purchased this example directly from Hubalek at a small bore match in Chicago during the late 1930s.

  
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Reply #10 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 6:48pm
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JLouis wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 5:48pm:
Did you miss the below discreption? or are you now talking about another rifle not related to the link.

This was once part of the collection of Ben Park, a Kansas City target shooter who knew Hubalek personally, and, as attested to in an attached affidavit, purchased this example directly from Hubalek at a small bore match in Chicago during the late 1930s.



Good provenance, for the barreled action at least.† But the gun has almost certainly been restored if not rebuilt since leaving Mr. Park's hands.† The CC looks untouched since it was done, & it's hard to believe Park would have had engraving done over such a terrible surface.† Does the stock resemble any other Hubalek stock you've seen?†
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 7:51pm
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Very good points, Red.  And did you notice the concentration of deep pits inside the lever?  They look to me like the aftermath of a poorly-done weld.

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Reply #12 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 8:15pm
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JLouis wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 5:48pm:
Did you miss the below discreption? or are you now talking about another rifle not related to the link.

This was once part of the collection of Ben Park, a Kansas City target shooter who knew Hubalek personally, and, as attested to in an attached affidavit, purchased this example directly from Hubalek at a small bore match in Chicago during the late 1930s.



I didn't miss the description John. But maybe you missed the connection to Ben Park, and the 1930 date where he purchased that gun?
If old Ben was alive today, he'd be 109 years old if he was only 20 when he bought the Hubalek. So giving the benefit of doubt, I'd guess maybe Ben hasn't owned that gun for quite some time, and who knows what's been altered since 1930, either by Ben Park, or after he died.
I'd bet that case color, refinish, and engraving are more than likely not what was on it when Ben owned it. And there's a chance the original receiver from Hubalek was changed too, and only the barrel and striker block are original.
What I'm getting to is after 80 years since it's purchase, there's no telling what's the same today.
  

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Re: Hubalek Ballard
Reply #13 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 8:25pm
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Bill Lawrence wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 7:51pm:
Very good points, Red.† And did you notice the concentration of deep pits inside the lever?† They look to me like the aftermath of a poorly-done weld.

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That lever is modified. It is not the same shape as an original Ballard loop lever. You can see the little lump built up on the outside edge of the lever. It might be something done by Hubalek, but it's not original Ballard.
The deep pits all over the gun puzzle me. Notjust that anyone would apply engraving and case color over them, but that they're there at all. No idea of they are caused by bad rust pitting, or casting flaws. If they said if the action was an original Ballard, or whose it was, it might help. But no way a Marlin Ballard action would have casting flaws and leave the factory like that.
I'm puzzled by the title, "Small frame Ballard" in the heading? It's a flat sided action that Ballard referred to as a "heavy" or "extra heavy" receiver. What's small about it?
  

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Re: Hubalek Ballard
Reply #14 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 8:26pm
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I have two Hubaleks with the Worn action and they both have casting pits all over ; to my knowledge all of the 32 or 33 actions that were made had these pits. I too think it's a great gun at a very good price.
  
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