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Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:55am
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I bought a C. Sharps Arms 1875 in 38-55 with a 30" barrel yesterday and the barrel is marked V. Sigman Cabool, Mo. The rifle looks very well kept inside and out. What tang sight sould I get mid or long?
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Reply #1 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:26am
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A Mid-Range tang sight will get you out to 1,000 yards  if you have a tight twist and use a heavy bullet (but BPCR Silhouette is shot out to 550 yards).

You only need a long range sight if you are shooting long range (1,000+ yards) but you generally need a larger cailber rifle with a heavier bullet for the long range game.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:33am
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Schuetzendave wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:26am:
A Mid-Range tang sight will get you out to 1,000 yards  if you have a tight twist and use a heavy bullet (but BPCR Silhouette is shot out to 550 yards).

You only need a long range sight if you are shooting long range (1,000+ yards) but you generally need a larger cailber rifle with a heavier bullet for the long range game.


I'll look for a good mid-range. Thanks
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:59pm
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The top BPCR Silhouette shooters highly recommend a MVA Buffalo Soule sight.

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Should get a top tang sight for a top notch rifle if you wish to shoot BPCR Silhouette.
You will also need to change the front to a globe sight that holds aperture sights.

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If you only intend to hunt with it you may wish to get the windage sporting tang sight that will not hang up in the brush as easy.

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Your Beech style front sight will work well for hunting.
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Reply #4 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:56pm
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Verl Sigman is a notable Schuetzen shooter.
I think maybe he does some gunsmithing work,
I note the Very nice engraved name on the rifle barrel.
Perhaps he rebarrelled the rifle.??
Nice person, too.
of great skill. I see him every year at the Midwest Regional
Schuetzenfest near Eau Claire,WI.

Important:  What twist is this 38-55?
If it is a slow, like 18 twist or so, it will not do well
with the necessary short,light bullets needed.
For a degree of competitiveness in Midrange, Silhouette,
much less long range, you need a 12 or even 10 twist
to shoot long heavy bullets.
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Reply #5 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:59pm
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OH, before you go out and spend BIG money on sights,
you will want to consider the issue I mentioned about twist
If the slow, 18 twist, it will work fine at 200 yards, and may be able to shoot up to a 300gr or so bullet, say the lyman 375674 decently out to 500yds or so.
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Reply #6 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 8:07pm
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I see that at least some of the 1875s had a 15 twist barrel. This is reported to be good for a 330 grain bullet and possibly even a 360 grain one so BPCR is doable. If money is an object, Lee Shaver makes a Lyman 17 type front globe with an enclosed spirit level and an economy mid-range Soule that will be adequate. If you go for the MVA, depending on what part of the country you are in you may not need the excess windage (and bulk) of the Buffalo Soule (unless you are thinking about the Quigley) and the standard Soule would be fine. If you are just thinking about hunting with it, a Marbles tang would work with your Beach front sight.
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 11:45pm
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Since Verl barreled it, it will be first class work. 
With the tulip on the back of the barrel, I'm guessing it's a Green Mountain. If you remove the forearm, Verl marks the bottom with the make of barrel, twist and the date he installed it.
  

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Reply #8 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 11:51pm
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I had a  .38 with a 18:1 twist that fired a 310 grain bullet with 50 grains of Swiss FFFg and dropped the Rams without ringing them.

However a .38 with 14:1 twist shooting a 360 grain bullet would provide better performance shooting BPCR Silhouette.

Even with a 18:1 twist he can still have good success shooting BPCR Silhouette if he wants to try out a new sport before he purchases another rifle fine tuned for that specific discipline.

Yes Verl is a good gunsmith and an excellent Schuetzen shooter.

It appears Verl manufactured the rifle for someone who intended to use it for hunting and the choice for the new owner is what does he wish to use it for.

Even when I had a .45-70, a .40-65 WCF and a .40-60 Maynard I preferred taking my .38 out to practice shooting Chickens.
Light recoil and much cheaper for the lead, tin and powder used.
And any MVA tang staff purchased can always be used on any other rifle by just buying another base for that additional rifle.
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Reply #9 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 7:52am
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Thanks for all the good info. I will measure the twist and look under the forearm this evening. I will hunt with this rifle and it would be fun to shoot BPCR Silouette but there is not a club close.  The shop where I got this rifle also has a very nice Falling Block Works 40-65 with a 30" barrel
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 12:22pm
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Verl barreled both my 32-40 Highwall and .32 MS M-D....great guy!
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 1:40pm
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I email C. Sharps and it shipped 8-10-93 as a 45-70 with extra fancy wood, pistol grip, cheek rest and Hartford nose cap.
Mr. Sigman rebarreled it July of 1997 a Douglas 1-12.
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Reply #12 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 2:09pm
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Then you are good to go with a 360 grain bullet.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 2:18pm
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Caliber      0.378      Inches            
Bullet Weight      365      Grains            
Bullet Length      1.475      Inches            
Barrel Twist      12      Inches/turn            
muzzle velocity      1300      fps            
Temperature      50      degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)            
Pressure      29.92      inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)            
                       
Sg =      2.42      

She has a really tight twist and needs a 365 grain bullet or longer.
It would work extremely well shooting BPCR Silhouette if you ever have a chance.            
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 4:39pm
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Thanks for the help.
  
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