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Re: 44 1/2 on Gunbroker
Reply #30 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 4:09pm
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CptCurl wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 7:34am:
slumlord44 wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 1:42am:
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Got to figure out how to prime the cases without a die set or the proper shell holder.


I have accomplished this using a "C" clamp and a rod of proper diameter and length to insert in the empty unprimed case.  Start the primer with your finger, insert the rod into the case, put all this in the "C" clamp, and carefully screw the clamp until everything bottoms out.  The primer is seated flush.

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For the odd assorted cases that I don't have dedicated die sets for, a used arbor press is pretty cheap and easy to come by, and for seating push rods, I use (or quickly make up) old Lyman Hand Sizer die punches that have one end hollowed out for the old balloon-head cases.

  

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Re: 44 1/2 on Gunbroker
Reply #31 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 9:36pm
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Did some tinkering today and discovered that .22 Hornet shell base is realy close to the diamater of the .22-15-60 case. The rim is a little thicker but the shell holder should work. Used it in my Depriming die to remove primer. Will try it in my Lee Auto prime tool tomorrow if I have time. I have all this reloading equipment including presses mounted to a bench. Too many hobbies and busnnes stuff. Not enough time for everything.
  
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Reply #32 - Mar 28th, 2019 at 12:05am
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Just occurred to me that a Hornet or .223 seating die might work as a neck sizer. 
  
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Reply #33 - Mar 28th, 2019 at 12:55am
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I've had that thought. Will play with that if need be. My understanding is that with a single shot using the brass in one rifle you may to be able to get by without dies. Seem to have seen discussion on the subject here in the past. Don't really need to crimp bullets for target shooting with a single shot.
  
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Re: 44 1/2 on Gunbroker
Reply #34 - Mar 28th, 2019 at 7:53am
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slumlord44 wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 9:36pm:
Did some tinkering today and discovered that .22 Hornet shell base is realy close to the diamater of the .22-15-60 case. The rim is a little thicker but the shell holder should work. Used it in my Depriming die to remove primer. Will try it in my Lee Auto prime tool tomorrow if I have time. I have all this reloading equipment including presses mounted to a bench. Too many hobbies and busnnes stuff. Not enough time for everything.

That was what I used to seat primers in my 22-15-60.

It might help in some loads to have a little more neck resistance that just finger seating without any neck sizing, but in most cases it should be OK. If you do neck size, I'd try 22 Sav Highpower die rather than a die for a .224 cartridge.
  
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Re: 44 1/2 on Gunbroker
Reply #35 - Mar 28th, 2019 at 10:16pm
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The Hornet shell holder worked great in the Lee AutoPrime. I used my muzleloader powder measure to fill cases. Around 17 grains of FFF blackpowder. Used the Hornet seating die to seat the bullets. Compressed the load a bit. Loaded and shot the 7 rounds that I have in the back yard. I used 52 grain .228 bullets discussed earlier. Tried them without the gas checks first. Accuracy off my deck using the deck rail for support was not what I had hoped for but hit the target at 25 yards at least. The bore is less than perfect but I can always re line it if all else fails but thats my last resort. I don't need pinpoint accuracy. I need to try the gas checks next and the lighter bullets also. First time I have shot a cartridge that I loaded myself. Wish I had done this a long time ago. That skinny little .22 black powder round sure makes a loud boom when it goes off! Now I'm hooked on another hobby to eat up my time. I emailed RMC about getting another 20 rounds of brass. I recall seeing something about the company being for sale a while back. That was stated on their website. Are they still in business? RCC makes them but they are $5 a round with a 50 round minimum. $250 is more than I am comfortable spending and I don't need 50 cases.
  
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Re: 44 1/2 on Gunbroker
Reply #36 - Mar 28th, 2019 at 10:37pm
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The lube in the bullets I sent you is White Label, not well suited to black powder.  Boil them to melt it off, and relube with SPG.

Or use a smokeless load.  1.0 to 1.5 grains of Bullseye looks about right in Quickload. 

Are the cases you have solid head or balloon?  I've run across an instance recently where the case volume in the database was for the balloon head, and that led to calculating a bit of an overload when solid head cases were used.  QL is assuming 22-15-60 case capacity to be 17.86 grains of water. 
  
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Reply #37 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 12:49am
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Solid head cases. I'm not as picky about details as many here. Lube may not be ideal and I'm sure there are better options but it works ok for me. Black powder is much more forgiving than smokeless. Prety hard to overload it. My understanding is that the real problem is leaving a space between the powder and the base of the bullet. Never understood that since when breach seating there is a space. I will eventually try a smokeless load. I have a powder scale and powder. Need to check if I have Bullseye. Really appreciate the bullets. This is fun.
  
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Re: 44 1/2 on Gunbroker
Reply #38 - Mar 30th, 2019 at 4:29pm
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Slumlord44,
If you have a copy of the #50 catalog, you might take a look in the Reduced Loads paragraphs found under the .22-15-60 Stevens C.F. section.
Stevens doesn't appear to mention using a filler for the reduced loads.
  

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