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44 1/2 on Gunbroker
Mar 11th, 2019 at 1:10pm
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Item      #803440056 Buy now.
Not my type, i'm a Sharps man.

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Reply #1 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 1:16pm
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Not 44-1/2--it's an early "square cut" 44.  No model no. on front face of rcvr., so must be one of the pre-'96 3-digit models.
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Reply #2 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 4:44pm
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But 802554814 is a 44 1/2.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 5:36pm
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I thought 803440056 looked off for a 44 1/2.
Yet 802554814 looks big & strong and yet ID'ed as a 44.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 5:42pm
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Wink But #803440056 was a DST. How uncommon are they in 44s?
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 6:02pm
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oneatatime wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 5:42pm:
Wink But #803440056 was a DST. How uncommon are they in 44s?


Very.  But probably more of them were installed on 44s, simply because they were in production longer than 44-1/2s.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 6:10pm
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Frankford wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 5:36pm:
I thought 803440056 looked off for a 44 1/2.
Yet 802554814 looks big & strong and yet ID'ed as a 44.


At least the seller of 803440056 has an excuse--the rcvr. isn't marked with the model no. (because on these 3-digit models, the model no. was marked on the brl).

Some do-gooder will probably inform the seller of the mis-identified 44, causing it to sell for more.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 6:28pm
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The serial number of 803440056, the 44 with the DST, is 2911, which might just barely still be in the 100 series.  If it was chambered as a 38-55 (on the basis of the extractor being marked?), I'd be interested to know if it has a lugged hammer this early.

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Reply #8 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 7:27pm
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Bill Lawrence wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 6:28pm:
The serial number of 803440056, the 44 with the DST, is 2911, which might just barely still be in the 100 series. 


I think it is, as the rcvr. is unmarked except for ser. no.  Maybe he knows it's a 38-55 because he broke up the gun--he's also selling many other actions.

  
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Reply #9 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 9:15pm
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802554814 is a 44 1/2. Don't tell him because I am bidding on it. Condition is not as good as I want but the caliber is one I have been looking for. Have had brass for a while and am looking for bullets.
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 9:42pm
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slumlord44 wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 9:15pm:
802554814 is a 44 1/2. Don't tell him because I am bidding on it.


I sure as hell won't (do a favor for a dealer???), but looks like someone has already notified the seller of his mistake with the DST action, as he corrected his listing.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 9:54pm
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He added a picture of 803440056 with the hammer back and it does indeed have a lug.  Hot damn!

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Reply #12 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 12:49am
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I don't see a lug. A little early for one anyway, isn't it?
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 2:25am
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Bill Lawrence wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 6:28pm:
The serial number of 803440056, the 44 with the DST, is 2911, which might just barely still be in the 100 series.  If it was chambered as a 38-55 (on the basis of the extractor being marked?), I'd be interested to know if it has a lugged hammer this early.

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It most definitely is within the 100 series. I have two examples of 100 series with serial numbers 2629 and 2745 logged. 

The S.O.B. has broken it up and has the barrel on evilBay. 
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The hammer picture he sent me directly has no lug. 
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Re: 44 1/2 on Gunbroker
Reply #14 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 2:51am
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Redsetter wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 6:10pm:
Frankford wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 5:36pm:
I thought 803440056 looked off for a 44 1/2.
Yet 802554814 looks big & strong and yet ID'ed as a 44.


At least the seller of 803440056 has an excuse--the rcvr. isn't marked with the model no. (because on these 3-digit models, the model no. was marked on the brl).

Some do-gooder will probably inform the seller of the mis-identified 44, causing it to sell for more.


Well, I'm the do-gooder, but I've offered him half his buy-it-now, and that only if he retrieves the barrel from evilBay and sells it to me as a set.  He wants $250 for the barrel, too. 

GOD but I hate breakers!
  
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Reply #15 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 9:59am
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It would be nice to see somone put the pieces back together. While some guns are worth more for parts than they are in one piece, I hate to see a rare piece broken up unless it is in really bad shape. I bought a wire stock for a Stevens tip up pistol years back and discoverd the guy also had the rest of the gun. It had some issues but I bought it and put it back together and made it shootable. Have more in it than its worth but it had someinteresting modifications and it shoots well now. Good luck.
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 5:18pm
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My apologies.  I was looking at the hammer from the rear at a slight angle and in a smaller picture, and what I thought was a lug is now obviously just the hammer nose.  Oh well.

Also, breakers never put "sets" back together.  They are sure - I mean SURE - that they will get more money for the parts, even if it's from just one "fool" who's out to save the item.  And my experience is that more often then not they are right.  Oh hell.

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Reply #17 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 9:59pm
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I got the 44 1/2. Probably paid too much but it's not the first time and probably not be the last. Some you get cheap and some not. It all averages out in the end i guess. Now I realy need some .22 lead bullets. Anyone?
  
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Reply #18 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 10:20pm
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slumlord44 wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 9:59pm:
I got the 44 1/2. Probably paid too much but it's not the first time and probably not be the last. Some you get cheap and some not. It all averages out in the end i guess. Now I realy need some .22 lead bullets. Anyone?


I'm assuming you're talking about the .22.
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 10:50pm
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@Slumlord44 - Sent an email to your hotmail account.
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Reply #20 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 10:52pm
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Glad you got it.  I stumbled into it when it was first listed and  planned to buy it being it was a 44 1/2 and a caliber I've always wanted.  I have one a friend of mine bought in Louisiana 25 years ago that had a sewer pipe barrel. He had it rebored to 25-20 wcf.
Keep us updated on how this one shoots and what it takes to get there.
  

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Reply #21 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 11:06pm
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Bill Lawrence wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 5:18pm:
Also, breakers never put "sets" back together.  They are sure - I mean SURE - that they will get more money for the parts, even if it's from just one "fool" who's out to save the item.  And my experience is that more often then not they are right.  Oh hell.

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In the same class as kidnappers for ransom, in that case.
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 11:26am
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Slumlord, I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who'd rather save an old gun than part it out. I just can't look at a gun that's salvageable, and not try to do so.
There is a point when the condition, or previous major changes make it OK to do whatever with. I just have to look at each gun's condition, and possible history, and then decide what direction it needs to take.
  

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Reply #23 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:24pm
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This is what I enjoy most about this group. The last bastion of people with a sense of history and ethics.
  
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Reply #24 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 1:42am
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The 44 1/2 came in today. Marked .22-15 SS. Prety much as I thought it would be. Bore was not as nice as I had hoped but not as bad as I had feared it might be. Not pristine but good enough for what I'm doing. Thanks to uscra112 I have some bullets to try in it. Great people here who will send you free stuff that you can't find. Thanks again uscar112. Got to figure out how to prime the cases without a die set or the proper shell holder.
  
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Reply #25 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 7:34am
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slumlord44 wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 1:42am:
. . .

Got to figure out how to prime the cases without a die set or the proper shell holder.


I have accomplished this using a "C" clamp and a rod of proper diameter and length to insert in the empty unprimed case.  Start the primer with your finger, insert the rod into the case, put all this in the "C" clamp, and carefully screw the clamp until everything bottoms out.  The primer is seated flush.

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Reply #26 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 7:35am
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P.S.  If you mount your "C" clamp into a bench vise it helps a lot.  You no longer need three hands!

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Reply #28 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 8:54am
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slumlord44 wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 1:42am:
Got to figure out how to prime the cases without a die set or the proper shell holder.


Forester's Bonanza press uses a built-in adjustable case holder--no separate case holders needed.
  
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Reply #29 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:54am
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I could make a bushing to modify an Ideal tong tool in minutes.  Already done it for .25-20 SS.  In a pinch, a thin washer of the correct I.D. suffices.
  
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CptCurl wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 7:34am:
slumlord44 wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 1:42am:
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Got to figure out how to prime the cases without a die set or the proper shell holder.


I have accomplished this using a "C" clamp and a rod of proper diameter and length to insert in the empty unprimed case.  Start the primer with your finger, insert the rod into the case, put all this in the "C" clamp, and carefully screw the clamp until everything bottoms out.  The primer is seated flush.

Good luck,
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For the odd assorted cases that I don't have dedicated die sets for, a used arbor press is pretty cheap and easy to come by, and for seating push rods, I use (or quickly make up) old Lyman Hand Sizer die punches that have one end hollowed out for the old balloon-head cases.

  

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Reply #31 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 9:36pm
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Did some tinkering today and discovered that .22 Hornet shell base is realy close to the diamater of the .22-15-60 case. The rim is a little thicker but the shell holder should work. Used it in my Depriming die to remove primer. Will try it in my Lee Auto prime tool tomorrow if I have time. I have all this reloading equipment including presses mounted to a bench. Too many hobbies and busnnes stuff. Not enough time for everything.
  
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Reply #32 - Mar 28th, 2019 at 12:05am
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Just occurred to me that a Hornet or .223 seating die might work as a neck sizer. 
  
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Reply #33 - Mar 28th, 2019 at 12:55am
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I've had that thought. Will play with that if need be. My understanding is that with a single shot using the brass in one rifle you may to be able to get by without dies. Seem to have seen discussion on the subject here in the past. Don't really need to crimp bullets for target shooting with a single shot.
  
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Reply #34 - Mar 28th, 2019 at 7:53am
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slumlord44 wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 9:36pm:
Did some tinkering today and discovered that .22 Hornet shell base is realy close to the diamater of the .22-15-60 case. The rim is a little thicker but the shell holder should work. Used it in my Depriming die to remove primer. Will try it in my Lee Auto prime tool tomorrow if I have time. I have all this reloading equipment including presses mounted to a bench. Too many hobbies and busnnes stuff. Not enough time for everything.

That was what I used to seat primers in my 22-15-60.

It might help in some loads to have a little more neck resistance that just finger seating without any neck sizing, but in most cases it should be OK. If you do neck size, I'd try 22 Sav Highpower die rather than a die for a .224 cartridge.
  
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Reply #35 - Mar 28th, 2019 at 10:16pm
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The Hornet shell holder worked great in the Lee AutoPrime. I used my muzleloader powder measure to fill cases. Around 17 grains of FFF blackpowder. Used the Hornet seating die to seat the bullets. Compressed the load a bit. Loaded and shot the 7 rounds that I have in the back yard. I used 52 grain .228 bullets discussed earlier. Tried them without the gas checks first. Accuracy off my deck using the deck rail for support was not what I had hoped for but hit the target at 25 yards at least. The bore is less than perfect but I can always re line it if all else fails but thats my last resort. I don't need pinpoint accuracy. I need to try the gas checks next and the lighter bullets also. First time I have shot a cartridge that I loaded myself. Wish I had done this a long time ago. That skinny little .22 black powder round sure makes a loud boom when it goes off! Now I'm hooked on another hobby to eat up my time. I emailed RMC about getting another 20 rounds of brass. I recall seeing something about the company being for sale a while back. That was stated on their website. Are they still in business? RCC makes them but they are $5 a round with a 50 round minimum. $250 is more than I am comfortable spending and I don't need 50 cases.
  
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Reply #36 - Mar 28th, 2019 at 10:37pm
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The lube in the bullets I sent you is White Label, not well suited to black powder.  Boil them to melt it off, and relube with SPG.

Or use a smokeless load.  1.0 to 1.5 grains of Bullseye looks about right in Quickload. 

Are the cases you have solid head or balloon?  I've run across an instance recently where the case volume in the database was for the balloon head, and that led to calculating a bit of an overload when solid head cases were used.  QL is assuming 22-15-60 case capacity to be 17.86 grains of water. 
  
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Reply #37 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 12:49am
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Solid head cases. I'm not as picky about details as many here. Lube may not be ideal and I'm sure there are better options but it works ok for me. Black powder is much more forgiving than smokeless. Prety hard to overload it. My understanding is that the real problem is leaving a space between the powder and the base of the bullet. Never understood that since when breach seating there is a space. I will eventually try a smokeless load. I have a powder scale and powder. Need to check if I have Bullseye. Really appreciate the bullets. This is fun.
  
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Reply #38 - Mar 30th, 2019 at 4:29pm
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Slumlord44,
If you have a copy of the #50 catalog, you might take a look in the Reduced Loads paragraphs found under the .22-15-60 Stevens C.F. section.
Stevens doesn't appear to mention using a filler for the reduced loads.
  

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