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Re: Was a 44 1/2... 22WRF Now a 28-30
Reply #15 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 1:23am
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I have a Favorite in .22 WRF marked .22WRF. Where they ever marked .22 7 1/2? I knew they were scarce which is why I grabbed this one when it came up on GunBroker. I would have to dig it out to see which model it is. I've never seen a Favorite in centerfire. Did see a 55 Ladies Model though. I believe it was on a Favorite frame but it was at a Kansas City Kansas gun show many years back and I don't recall the details. It was rough as I recall.
  
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Re: Was a 44 1/2... 22WRF Now a 28-30
Reply #16 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 2:14am
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slumlord44 wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 1:23am:
I have a Favorite in .22 WRF marked .22WRF. Where they ever marked .22 7 1/2? I knew they were scarce which is why I grabbed this one when it came up on GunBroker. I would have to dig it out to see which model it is. I've never seen a Favorite in centerfire. Did see a 55 Ladies Model though. I believe it was on a Favorite frame but it was at a Kansas City Kansas gun show many years back and I don't recall the details. It was rough as I recall.

I've seen some 94' Favorite barrels marked 22 7 1/2 across the years and obtained a smoke pull off of one that had a nice clean marking, but have not run across one that was marked 22 WRF.   Grin
  

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Re: Was a 44 1/2... 22WRF Now a 28-30
Reply #17 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 10:09am
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While one the subject of a 44 1/2:
TRADE MARK
   STEVENS
Reg US Pat. OFF & FGH (what ever that means)
* Left side of the action has a "U" in a circle
What do these marks represent?
  

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Re: Was a 44 1/2... 22WRF Now a 28-30
Reply #18 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 10:20am
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John Boy wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 10:09am:
While one the subject of a 44 1/2:
TRADE MARK
   STEVENS
Reg US Pat. OFF & FGH (what ever that means)
* Left side of the action has a "U" in a circle
What do these marks represent?


The "U" is thought to be a proof-mark introduced after the company was reorganized in the aftermath of the Westinghouse takeover during WWI.  The other markings were probably introduced at the same time. Earliest use of the "Trademark" I've seen is in a 1919 catalog.
  
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Re: Was a 44 1/2... 22WRF Now a 28-30
Reply #19 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 10:22am
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Except 44 1/2 wasn't produced after the war.  Or was it?

Can you post closeups of the markings?

  
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Reply #20 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 10:31am
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uscra112 wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 10:22am:
Except 44 1/2 wasn't produced after the war.  Or was it?


That period during & immediately after the war is a particularly murky one.  There were undoubtedly 44-1/2s in various stages of production when Westinghouse upended the apple cart, & it's not reasonable to believe they were simply discarded after the war.  So I would assume all the receivers that could be found were assembled & sold, even if they weren't cataloged.  Although, if a 1918 catalog or ad could be found, maybe they were advertised, until the supply of actions was exhausted.
  
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Reply #21 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 1:36pm
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Knowing how large company's think, it might be that they simply melted the surplus stock down (including 44 1/2's), to make Russian rifles.

I doubt Westinghouse had any interest in SS rifles or their history, when it came to making money! Sad but, I think more likely.

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Reply #22 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 1:58pm
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Yup, to the scrap drive with all of it.  Westinghouse did a hostile takeover of Stevens to begin with, and ran the company purely as a war profiteering operation, which is why Congress was investigating them after the war.  Quite likely they scraped every nickel out if it that they could.   'Course we can never know, because the records are gone.   Cry
  
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Reply #23 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 2:41pm
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frnkeore wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 1:36pm:
Knowing how large company's think, it might be that they simply melted the surplus stock down (including 44 1/2's), to make Russian rifles.


It's not impossible, but all the leftover parts put together would amount to next to nothing relative to the raw material needed for the Russian order.  And it's a fact that Stevens was back in limited production very quickly after the end of the war, which implies that the tooling needed to make those guns had survived the war.  I wonder, however, if the 44-1/2 tooling was inadvertently lost or destroyed, because it seems so incredibly backward-thinking to revive an antiquated model, the 44, & yet drop their most advanced design.
  
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Re: Was a 44 1/2... 22WRF Now a 28-30
Reply #24 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 8:48pm
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Here's what I found about Stevens 44 1/2
de Haas:
Period 1904 - 1916
Blue Book:
* 1903 - 1916
* 28" barrel is not listed in either de Haas or Blue Book
Markings:
* Trade Mark
* Barrel stamped "2"
* Barrel- Circle with the letter "P" in the circle
* Action  Circle with the number "1" in it - a "U"
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Reply #25 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 9:26pm
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I knew I saw it somewhere:
TRADE MARK
   STEVENS
   Reg US Pat. OFF & FGH
But this marking was on the 1915 Favorites!
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The 1915 version, introduced in that year, was made until 1935. No patent date has been observed on the 1915 barrels. The receiver is .950″ thick, had 2 tang peep holes drilled & tapped on the upper tang, along with “model 1915″ stamped on this top tang. The top of the receiver had “TRADE MARK” on the top line, with “FAVORITE” on the center line, & “REG US PAT OFF & FRN” on the bottom line, all stamped on the top receiver flat.
  

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Re: Was a 44 1/2... 22WRF Now a 28-30
Reply #26 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 1:55am
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I dug out the .22 WRF Favorite. Its a 1915, 24" barrel, full octogon barrel marked J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co, flip up front and rear open sights. Lyman tang sight that I'm prety sure I added. Serial #L347. Hope this is of interest. I know I looked for one for a long time and this is about the only one I have seen. Looked at my catalog collection and don't have a 1915. Have 1914 which lists the .22 WRF as an option and the next one is 1918 which does not list the .22WRF. Anyone have a 1915,16,or 17 catalog for reference?
  
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Re: Was a 44 1/2... 22WRF Now a 28-30
Reply #27 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:14am
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slumlord44 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 1:55am:
Anyone have a 1915,16,or 17 catalog for reference?


My understanding is that the last "General Catalog" published before the "Crash" was #54, which (according to Cope's chronology) was first published in 1914, but then revised in 1919. If there were any "left-over" 44-1/2 models assembled after the war, this 1919 ed. is where they might have last appeared; however, none are listed in my 1919 "Pocket Catalog."  Didn't realize it until I checked the #54, but the "Trademark--Stevens" marking was already in use by 1914--it's printed beside most of the rifle descriptions.

.22 WRF was available for Favorites at no extra charge, & .22-15 for the Ladies Model ($2 extra), which, confusingly, was no longer called the model #55, but had been changed to the model #21. 

As for the years 1915-1918, I'd doubt there was advertising of any kind, but it would take a through examination of the kinds of sporting magazines Stevens might have advertised in to discover what the company was making, if anything, for the US commercial market during these years. The fact that the DBA name was changed in 1916 implies an intention to "stay in business" after the Russian contract was completed.
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Reply #28 - Mar 26th, 2019 at 3:24pm
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Shopping days to get this Stevens 28-30-120 up and running are over:

Dies: Buffalo Arms, CH4D .. In Stock
Mold: Accurate 2x cavity clone of the 120gr Ideal bullet - 282 diameter
Brass - Rocky Mountain CC - 50 cases
Trip to CPA in Dingmans Ferry, PA for a new CF breach block - extractor for the action and a front globe for the barrel
Good thing it's near the end of the month - my monthly allowance is way over budget  Grin
  

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Re: Was a 44 1/2... 22WRF Now a 28-30
Reply #29 - May 24th, 2019 at 12:10am
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In response to the earlier question about Favorites ever being cataloged for Rook calibers, here's an English Stevens ad from 1904. Also, I used to have a 1915 Favorite in .22 WRF, and the barrel was marked ".22 WRF". Also, I was under the assumption that the WRF was an extra cost option in the Favorite and 44 1/2, at least in the catalogs that I have.
  
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