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ODD Duck - Model 45 . . . looking for clues!
Mar 29th, 2019 at 12:54pm
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J. Stevens A&T Co. Pat. Oct 29.89 - Model 45? . . . .

Hello, I hoping to get some assistance identifying and possible value on a recent piece I acquired.

It is stamped "45" and "0" on the end of the action (behind the foregrip).
The Barrel has "11XXX" and "1" on it, and does not look to be a pope barrel, but a lighter weight "No 1" version.
28" long. (not the standard 26") Half octagon. (so longer and lighter then normal).

Chambered in 22 LR (not the more common 25 Stevens).
It also has a numbers matching Swiss butt plate.

Front site looks to be a "Beach Combination" flip sight with ivory post and looped pin bead.
(Lyman No.5) - with pat info stamped into outer ring (ending in JJLY14.91)

Rear site is a tang, which appears to be original, Stevens model (like a #104 or #108) WITH a thumb screw, but NO wind-age, and a fixed .050 eyecup. (so a cross between a 100 and a 104)

Action is an older Model 44, with the curved mainspring, and a "7'oclock" extractor. Single trigger - not DST.

My best guess so far is that based on the stamping and combination of barrel, action, and sights - that it should date about 1889-1894 for manufacture (some time after 1889 but before 1900 (or even before Apr. 17, 1894).
--Using the logic that if it was manufactured post 1894 - then the barrel would NOT have the Oct.29.89 patent stamping.)

Straight stock - no pistol grip!.  Swiss buttplate.

While I don't have full access to catalogs (only sparse web images here and there) - I could not find a direct match as far back at Catalog #50 of 1902.  I have not been able to find enough web info on catalogs prior to that.


She looks to be a bit of an "Odd Duck" for the higher end Model 45, but on an older 44 action, with lighter barrel, swiss butt, improved but not top end sights
(and single trigger).

Any feedback and assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You.

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Re: ODD Duck - Model 45 . . . looking for clues!
Reply #1 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 3:19pm
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Nothing odd about it--a typical, older #45 model.  The #44 model number was introduced in '96 (previously, a 3-digit no. was used), & the side-extractor was phased out 1898-9, so that dates it narrowly.

.25 Stevens is NOT more common than .22LR, though the LR is worth more than any other RF.
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 3:30pm
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Rocketnutz wrote on Mar 29th, 2019 at 12:54pm:
--Using the logic that if it was manufactured post 1894 - then the barrel would NOT have the Oct.29.89 patent stamping.)


Logic does not apply to Stevens' system of marking its products. That brl. may have been in inventory years before it was assembled to a rcvr.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 3:45pm
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Thanks for the input.

So far what I find a little "odd", is the lighter weight #1 barrel on 28", combined with the sights.

Lyman #5 Beach (with ivory bead), and a "pre" No. 104 tang sight.
It has the thumb stem screw, but not the base swing knob.  There is also no wind-age adjustment.

  

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Reply #4 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 5:11pm
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Rocketnutz wrote on Mar 29th, 2019 at 3:45pm:
So far what I find a little "odd", is the lighter weight #1 barrel on 28", combined with the sights.

Lyman #5 Beach (with ivory bead), and a "pre" No. 104 tang sight.


You're right, a little unusual--26" #2 brl. was standard, but #1 was available at the same price.  That combination of sights was called the "D" package, for about $4 extra.

But something new to me is that screw head on top of the hammer. Does it regulate sear engagement, for adjusting trigger pull?
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Reply #5 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 5:26pm
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I have no idea to be honest.

The trigger pull is pretty light right now - but I have not put my gauge on it.
About 2.5 lbs I would guess.


  

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Reply #6 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 5:51pm
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Rocketnutz wrote on Mar 29th, 2019 at 5:26pm:
I have no idea to be honest.

The trigger pull is pretty light right now - but I have not put my gauge on it.
About 2.5 lbs I would guess.


Short of removing the hammer to inspect it, you can turn the screw in or out to determine the result on pull. 
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 6:42pm
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The most interesting thing to me, IS that screw! Not a Steven feature, for sure.

As Red said, the barrel, being a 28", #1, might have been in stock for a while. To my thinking, the #1 barrels, were mostly for lady's and boy's. My DST, 45, had a #1 barrel on it. I discarded it, long ago but, I think it was a 26". I always though it it was probably purchased for someones wife. The small #2, hooked butt plate, fit's a woman or boy, better too. The optional, larger #3 butt plate and at least a #3 barrel, would be more inline with a man's rifle.

I tried my #2 butt plate on one of my 44 1/2 butt stocks and it wasn't very comfortable to me. The crescent butt plate, fit's me much better and that's why I think the #1 barrel, with a #2 butt plate was more for boy's or women.

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Re: ODD Duck - Model 45 . . . looking for clues!
Reply #8 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 10:16pm
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The screw in the hammer is a new one to me. I'm curious as to what its function is. I doubt that it's factory but with Stevens you can never be 100% sure. Sights are easy to change and to be truthful there is no way to know who put them there and as long as they are correct it doesn't matter. I go with tang sights or scopes on a lot of guns because my old eyes shoot better with them.
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 11:04pm
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slumlord44 wrote on Mar 29th, 2019 at 10:16pm:
The screw in the hammer is a new one to me. I'm curious as to what its function is. I doubt that it's factory but with Stevens you can never be 100% sure.


As Frank said, not factory, but I thought it might serve this function because somewhere long ago, I read about installing a screw drilled into the full-cock notch to limit the depth of sear engagement; probably not the best way to lighten trigger pull, but a fairly simple modification that worked.

As this is a very clean, but not mint, gun, I'd say this modification adds, rather than detracts, from its value.
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 11:19pm
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As everybody has noted, the screw in the hammer IS the most interesting thing about this rifle.  Moreover, while what Red says makes sense as to its probable purpose, I can't say I've ever seen the like before on any rifle.  So come on, Rocketnutz; play with it and tell us what you discover.

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Reply #11 - Mar 30th, 2019 at 9:44am
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Did a little tinkering.

Trigger pull is right now between 1.0 and 1.3 pounds!

Turning the screw on the hammer out did not seem to make a difference.

Turning the screw on the hammer IN (about 1 turn) - made it so the hammer would not catch - so it looks to be the sear engagement.

  

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