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Reply #30 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 5:07pm
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Bill Lawrence wrote on Apr 3rd, 2019 at 3:20pm:
A very well reasoned and supported reply, Vall.

But it does bring up a question, at least for me.  It's my understanding that most of the buildings for the main Stevens factory still stand.  If so, does Savage own them and, presumably, the property they stand on?

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This would be a question for the Chicopee Falls city to answer. But I'd bet that Savage no longer owns the properties. Savage too went through hard times, and bankruptcy and was bought by Ron Coburn in 1995. Ron returned Savage to a privately owned company, and as far as I know doesn't own the old factory buildings and property.
I have a good friend who is a factory sponsored shooter for Savage, and he tells me Ron Coburn is a great guy, and dedicated to making Savage prosper well in the future. If you look at Savage products and support the last two decades it's obvious he's serious about making Savage the top rifle company in the country.
  

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Reply #31 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 5:37pm
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Cope wrote that Savage "abandoned" (let go for taxes, I assume he means) the original factory complex (called by Stevens the "river plant") in 1960--the sad fate of countless mills & factories in the NE.  But the "hill plant," the former bicycle factory bought by Stevens to manufacture Stevens-Duryea autos, was demolished & a subway-car factory has been built in its place.
  
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Reply #32 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 6:51pm
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There were two Stevens plants on the Chicopee River. The original plant was the old grist mill they took over when Joshua Stevens started the company. Then as it grew they began a larger building down Main St., which ended up being the buildings we still see there today.
The larger building(s) were continually added to as the company grew, and eventually took over a huge area along the river. The Google Earth link I posted earlier shows the abandoned plant on the corner of Main and Oak.
  

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Reply #33 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 8:06pm
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According to the Massachusetts interactive property map, the current owner of the River plant with a listed address of 0 grove street, with a lot size of 8.78 acres built in 1900 is under the ownership of the City of Chicopee
  
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Reply #34 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 9:09pm
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oodmoff wrote on Apr 3rd, 2019 at 8:06pm:
According to the Massachusetts interactive property map, the current owner of the River plant with a listed address of 0 grove street, with a lot size of 8.78 acres built in 1900 is under the ownership of the City of Chicopee


Cities all over the NE are saddled with these abandoned factories & mills. Rather a hopeless situation, as the cost of demolishing them may exceed the value of the land they sit on, esp. if toxic wastes are deposited on the grounds.   
  
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Reply #35 - Apr 4th, 2019 at 12:40am
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I agree about the delay not logically running to the mid 30's. Since Stevens had been blamed and Savage blamed I figured around the end of the Great War. I did, however, spend some time just looking for fires in Chicopee in the broader sense and did find a couple but not what I was interested in. Without any frame of reference maybe the fire was in the furnace room?  Grin
  
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Reply #36 - Apr 4th, 2019 at 12:43am
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I saw on Google Earth Pro that it took almost 6 years to tear down the last of the buildings S of Oak Street along the river (reservoir, 2010 to 2016). I suspect that was due to a combination of lack of funds and an environmental mess to figure out. Wayne
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Reply #37 - May 29th, 2019 at 2:08am
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Grant believed that Westinghouse burnt the records.  Page 14 of Still More Single Shot Rifles. 

I have to question Cope, since he published such a plethora of histories of stuff, from steam engines to kitchen tools.

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I just can't buy that his research on Stevens/Westinghouse could have been all that thorough.
  
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Re: Got an Education about Stevens Firearms
Reply #38 - May 29th, 2019 at 10:40am
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uscra112 wrote on May 29th, 2019 at 2:08am:
Grant believed that Westinghouse burnt the records.  Page 14 of Still More Single Shot Rifles. 

I have to question Cope, since he published such a plethora of histories of stuff, from steam engines to kitchen tools.

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I just can't buy that his research on Stevens/Westinghouse could have been all that thorough.


The general consensus has always been that Westinghouse destroyed the Stevens records. It's been repeated numerous times, and the story has always been told that it was done to cover up war profiteering. But since it was done intentionally they sure didn't document what they did.
Anyone who wants concrete evidence of the destruction of the Stevens records wont find it. It's not likely people committing a criminal offense would document the crime for posterity. I chuckle when people demand evidence of the records being destroyed. It's like demanding the Mafia show evidence of the hits they made on people.
The fact is there are no Stevens records, so it's pretty obvious the records were destroyed. I doubt they built their guns without documentation. It would be tough to believe that every other maker in the USA kept records, except Stevens. But since the later management was covering up war profiteering they somehow failed to document their destruction of the old records. What were they thinking?
  

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