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Remington No. 7 Rolling Block
Apr 3rd, 2019 at 9:01am
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Anyone here have good familiarity with the No. 7 Rolling Blocks, both rifle and pistol? I've been trying to help another individual on another forum to identify what he has. He has both a pistol and a rifle. The rifle appears to have been professionally modified (fancied up?) with a stock change and a hooked butt plate. He has photos. If anyone can help, I'll direct him to join this forum and post the photos.
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 9:41am
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I am sure there are a few guys here that could help Ken
  
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Re: Remington No. 7 Rolling Block
Reply #2 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 11:14am
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Photos please
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Reply #3 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 12:01pm
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I don't know of any pistols that would be classified as a "#7 Rolling Block"? The #7 was based on the Rolling Block pistol receiver, but they were all rifles. There were some target versions of the Rolling Block pistol that had more similarity to the #7 rifle, but still were not a #7.
I've seen a number of original #7 rifles, and also several really well done fakes built from Rolling Block pistols. I'd love to see images of this pair of rifle and pistol combinations to get an idea of what they might be!
  

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Re: Remington No. 7 Rolling Block
Reply #4 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 12:36pm
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marlinguy wrote on Apr 3rd, 2019 at 12:01pm:
I don't know of any pistols that would be classified as a "#7 Rolling Block"? The #7 was based on the Rolling Block pistol receiver, but they were all rifles. There were some target versions of the Rolling Block pistol that had more similarity to the #7 rifle, but still were not a #7.
I've seen a number of original #7 rifles, and also several really well done fakes built from Rolling Block pistols. I'd love to see images of this pair of rifle and pistol combinations to get an idea of what they might be!


My nomenclature is apparently wrong on the pistol. The photo of it appears to be the same action as the No. 7 rifle. He posted on The Remington Society site yesterday, but as of right now, he has had no responses. I'll try copying the photo image address from that site, let's see if it works. He did not post photos of the pistol, we'll have to work on that. I think I saw your handle as a member on that site(?).

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If this comes through, the pistol is in it.

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Reply #5 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 1:31pm
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Oh my goodness, Is this an example of someone taking a several thousand dollar rifle and turning it into a several hundred dollar rifle?
Probably done long ago, still a shame but does make an interesting pair.
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Reply #6 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 2:16pm
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Chuckster wrote on Apr 3rd, 2019 at 1:31pm:
Oh my goodness, Is this an example of someone taking a several thousand dollar rifle and turning it into a several hundred dollar rifle?
Probably done long ago, still a shame but does make an interesting pair.
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Agreed, such a shame
  
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Reply #7 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 3:02pm
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From a collector's viewpoint, what was done to the rifle certainly is a crying shame.  However, the stock work looks better than average and, at least to me, has a certain charm reflective of when, for whom, and possibly even where it was done.  Were it my rifle, I'd be tempted to restore the action's cosmetics, see what I could do to improve the tang-stock join, and maybe consider slimming down the forearm.  On the other hand, were it simply left as it is, I wouldn't object; what the gun is now is, after all, part of its history.

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Reply #8 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 3:03pm
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Years ago I had Reinhart Fajen restock a shotgun for me, their work was nice and they did very similar checkering, and so the buttstock may have been made by Fajen ?Quien Sabe?
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Reply #9 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 3:16pm
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For the life of me I can't locate the post at the Remington Society forum? I am a member there, but not sure where the question was posted of this #7?
Yes, it is a true #7 from what I see, but unfortunately it's been hot blued, and had the ivory inserts in stock and forearm are later additions. Still it isn't so abused or altered that it couldn't be resurrected.
The pistol is of course the Rolling Block pistol, but need more info to determine what caliber it is, and what markings are on it to figure out exactly which model it is.
  

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Reply #10 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 3:47pm
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marlinguy wrote on Apr 3rd, 2019 at 3:16pm:
For the life of me I can't locate the post at the Remington Society forum? I am a member there, but not sure where the question was posted of this #7?
Yes, it is a true #7 from what I see, but unfortunately it's been hot blued, and had the ivory inserts in stock and forearm are later additions. Still it isn't so abused or altered that it couldn't be resurrected.
The pistol is of course the Rolling Block pistol, but need more info to determine what caliber it is, and what markings are on it to figure out exactly which model it is.


The Remington Society thread is under Remington Rifles RR Pre-1899, Second thread down, titled 'Another ID' by Hooknline.
I believe he said both firearms are 22 LR.
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 4:23pm
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The Rem #7 RB rifle was based on the 1871 ARMY pistol frame.
The tang sight shown in your picure appears to be home-made, when compared to the Lyman RA tang sight that was standard and produced only for the #7.
The forearm wood is much too bulky when compared to the slim and trim shaping of the original #7 forearm. Your pictue doesn't show the entire prong buttplate (there were a couple styles used), but from what is shown in the picture, the upper prong looks a bit too short (hard to tell for sure) compared to the one that is on my #7 rifle, and makes me suspect that the wood set on your friends rifle may have been made up afterwards.
Have no idea what the added-on strap with two screws that is shown above the hammer pivot pin is for.
Also, it appears that the front of the trigger shown in the picture is smooth, while the original #7 trigger on my #7 rifle has a checkered surface.
The barrel on my rifle is part octagon, part round. What roll marks are shown on the barrel of your friends rifle?
I posted a picture of my #7 on this forum long ago, before the big software update that occurred and the member's map was lost, and don't know if it's still in the old posts or has disappeared with other old files.
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Re: Remington No. 7 Rolling Block
Reply #12 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 4:59pm
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If the pistol is a .22 rimfire, it would usually indicate a Model 1891 variation. Normally with a half octagon barrel in 10", but 8" and 12" were also optional. Without the half octagon barrel it might have started life as a larger caliber, and been lined to .22RF, or rebarreled to .22RF. I have one that was rebarreled to .32-20 caliber by somebody.
The Rolling Block pistols in original shape can be fairly desirable, but if modified they are simply fun shooters, with much less value. Since the one pictured has some aftermarket modern sights, I'd guess a rebarrel, or modifications to factory barrel.
  

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Reply #13 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 5:46pm
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I recently saw one of these pistols that was re-barreled by somebody................. H.M.Pope is stamped on the round barrel.  Left hand rifling and gain twist.

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Reply #14 - Apr 3rd, 2019 at 11:58pm
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The serial number on the rifle will show  if it was originally a #7 or if the rifle is made post factory from one  of the pistols.
  
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Reply #15 - Apr 4th, 2019 at 3:09pm
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For all of you guy's. In the latest copy of the Single Shot Exchange there is a center fold article on the Number 7 Rifle. A really nice condition with some back ground. Four pages of good color pictures. Looks to me to be a re-finished piece, but not sure. It is in 32-20 caliber. HTH Regards, FITZ.
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Reply #16 - Apr 6th, 2019 at 8:09pm
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Crooked_Creek wrote on Apr 3rd, 2019 at 3:47pm:
The Remington Society thread is under Remington Rifles RR Pre-1899, Second thread down, titled 'Another ID' by Hooknline.
I believe he said both firearms are 22 LR.

I just checked that out and it seems that it was IDed, as being a pistol frame.

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Reply #17 - Apr 7th, 2019 at 11:55am
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frnkeore wrote on Apr 6th, 2019 at 8:09pm:
Crooked_Creek wrote on Apr 3rd, 2019 at 3:47pm:
The Remington Society thread is under Remington Rifles RR Pre-1899, Second thread down, titled 'Another ID' by Hooknline.
I believe he said both firearms are 22 LR.

I just checked that out and it seems that it was IDed, as being a pistol frame.

Frank


You're right, I just looked over there and that was the consensus conclusion because of the 'missing screws' but.....? What's really interesting is the pistol appearing in the link below, that was also part of his wife's inheritance. That 'pistol' has the screws on the frame and the block that are noted as 'missing' on the rifle, and thusly meaning it's not a No. 7 rifle. Does it then follow that the 'pistol' is in fact a No. 7 rifle action that has been converted to a pistol?? Undecided Undecided Cry Cry

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Reply #18 - Apr 7th, 2019 at 5:24pm
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Crooked Creek, the pistol in your linked picture isn't missing the screw for the extractor. I can clearly see the screw in your picture. But it is indeed missing the same screw on the #7 clone rifle.
The pistols were made in different eras, so some will have the sliding extractor, and some wont. But the #7 rifle will always have the earlier sliding extractor.
Then there's that plate with two screws on the left side near the block that this clone has, which no #7 would have had.

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Reply #19 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 8:49am
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marlinguy wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 5:24pm:
Crooked Creek, the pistol in your linked picture isn't missing the screw for the extractor. I can clearly see the screw in your picture. But it is indeed missing the same screw on the #7 clone rifle.
The pistols were made in different eras, so some will have the sliding extractor, and some wont. But the #7 rifle will always have the earlier sliding extractor.
Then there's that plate with two screws on the left side near the block that this clone has, which no #7 would have had.

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marlinguy, I didn't do a very good job of wording my response/question. What I was trying to say was that it appeared to me that the pistol did, in fact, have the two screws that were missing on the No. 7 clone, with the question being; Does that indicated the pistol started life as a No. 7 rifle?
I thought the plate on the side of the rifle may have been a 'cover' (of sorts) of mounting screw holes (and maybe something else under it), of an attempt at a side mounted sight of some kind somewhere along the way (?).
Of all the photos I could find of all models and ages of Rolling Blocks, I never saw anything resembling that plate or the two screw holes beneath it.
By the way, thank you, and the others, for your knowledge, time, and diligence in answering the questions for Hooknline.
Regardless of any disappointment that neither the rifle or pistol are 'original', they are still pretty neat firearms....I wish I had them! Smiley

  
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Reply #20 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:57am
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CC, both the #7 clone, and the pistol have the two lower screws that hold the trigger plate. The #7 clone doesn't have the extractor retaining screw, but the pistol does. The clone also has that plate with two screws, and without examining the gun I have no idea what it might have been for?
The general shape of the receiver tells me it likely began life as a 1867 Navy, or 1871 Army. The gentleman on the Rem. site mentioned a NY State Rolling Block, but I couldn't find anything in my references of a NY State Rolling Block pistol, and the NY State rifles are much larger framed #1 rifles.
  

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Reply #21 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 4:29pm
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Is that an old S&W adjustable rear sight (with the height of the leaf reduced) that is mounted on top of that rolling block pistol?
  

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Reply #22 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:15pm
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BP wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 4:29pm:
Is that an old S&W adjustable rear sight (with the height of the leaf reduced) that is mounted on top of that rolling block pistol?


Can't tell without a better angle in the picture? A view from the top might show the checkering S&W used, and reveal what it is.
  

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Reply #23 - Apr 9th, 2019 at 10:41am
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marlinguy wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:15pm:
BP wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 4:29pm:
Is that an old S&W adjustable rear sight (with the height of the leaf reduced) that is mounted on top of that rolling block pistol?


Can't tell without a better angle in the picture? A view from the top might show the checkering S&W used, and reveal what it is.


I suspect this will have to remain an 'unknown'. The firearms owner, 'Hooknline', has not appeared on these pages (yet?). He has seen the answers provided on The Remington Society forum and seemed satisfied on his last visit on Friday 4-6. He is the one with the ability to take additional photos that could show additional details.
  
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