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1885 Highwall deliemna
Apr 8th, 2019 at 1:42pm
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Bought a Highwall at Tulsa over the weekend. Now what to do with it. Built in 1889 #3 barrel in 40-70 SS. Barrel has been shortened to 21 inches and bore is a 2 on a 10 scale. Metal is all in  good shape.  Stock has long top tang on buttplate. Stock need repair is split at tangs but can be repaired.  Choice of next step?
Leave it alone and enjoy it.
Line the barrel and leave it at 21 inches and 40-70 SS. TJ liner.
Have rebored to 45-70.
Put new barrel on it.
Really hate to see a old gun torn apart.
Have two Highwalls in 40-70 SS now that use Buffalo Arms 30-40 Krag brass stretched but will not chamber in original barrel. Appear to be to large at base but can make a swage die to reduce them.
The 21 inch barrel is actually kind of nice but will have a big muzzle blast.
  
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Re: 1885 Highwall deliemna
Reply #1 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 1:44pm
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Reply #2 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 2:04pm
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Considering the degree of "gunbutchery" already done to it,
and Hopefully you did not put too much $$$$ into it.
I would figure you bought a rebuildable action.
Install new barrel, and replace the buttstock.
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Re: 1885 Highwall deliemna
Reply #3 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 2:06pm
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JSB30 wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 1:42pm:
The 21 inch barrel is actually kind of nice but will have a big muzzle blast.


If you like it, I'd say that almost answers your question. (I wouldn't, but that's irrelevant.)  Guess you could consider it a brush or saddle gun.  But before spending the money to line it, you might as well determine how well it shoots, esp. with jacketed bullets. 
  
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Re: 1885 Highwall deliemna
Reply #4 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 2:15pm
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beltfed wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
Install new barrel, and replace the buttstock.
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A new brl. would be my suggestion also, but new wood matched with such well-worn metal would be a greater eyesore than the present stocks, unless he sinks a lot of money into complete metal refinishing. 
  
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Re: 1885 Highwall deliemna
Reply #5 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 2:33pm
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A third choice would be lengthening the existing barrel, and then lining it back to original caliber. It will save all the Winchester markings, and retain more value in the original caliber.
I have two that John Taylor did for me and they look original when done, and liners are invisible. Cost was way less than a new barrel, especially considering having all the original rollstamps applied to a new barrel. Still need to of course blue the barrel again, but need that regardless.
Contact John Taylor on this forum or through his web site John Taylor Machine.
  

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Re: 1885 Highwall deliemna
Reply #6 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 2:33pm
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A fellow shooter has a Highwall in .22 LR given the same treatment.  We call it a buggy rifle.  Shoots very well.  With a liner, you could make it into something that wouldn't have quite so much muzzle blast.  If it was mine, I'd thing about a .357 Magnum revolver cartridge.
  
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Reply #7 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 3:01pm
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Are you sure the barrel was actually shortened?  I have a high wall made in 1887 originally in 32/20 with a 30" #1 barrel (info from Cody Museum letter).  Someone took off that barrel and put on an original Winchester #1 24" barrel in 38/55.  Looks like a great woods rifle and very accurate.
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Reply #8 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 3:45pm
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marlinguy wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 2:33pm:
Cost was way less than a new barrel, especially considering having all the original rollstamps applied to a new barrel.


Have heard of that procedure, but assumed the cost would be greater than for new brl.  If it's actually less, then that would be my choice also.  But not before testing brl. as is, since he doesn't object to short length, & it might shoot well enough to serve his purposes.    
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 4:38pm
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I bought it for the same amount I give for actions. I can tell  barrel was shortened because I can see hacksaw cuts where they cut new dovetail for front sight.
















  
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Reply #10 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 4:57pm
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I just got my sharps 1874 that was cut to 20" had it made back to 30" and a liner installed.  Back from John Taylor and in most part I am happy with the job you almost can't tell it's got a liner in it he told me he was going to raise the price on these type of jobs. 1 thing I was not happy with he told me 4-6 mouths to do the job but he had it done in in a month and a 1/2. I had it budgeted for 5-6 mouths not 1 mouth. Ken
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 5:21pm
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I agree with stretching it back to 28" or 30" and lining it. If it were mine that what I would have done.
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 5:47pm
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marlinguy wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 2:33pm:
A third choice would be lengthening the existing barrel, and then lining it back to original caliber. It will save all the Winchester markings, and retain more value in the original caliber.
I have two that John Taylor did for me and they look original when done, and liners are invisible. Cost was way less than a new barrel, especially considering having all the original rollstamps applied to a new barrel. Still need to of course blue the barrel again, but need that regardless.
Contact John Taylor on this forum or through his web site John Taylor Machine.


Sounds like the best option to me!  If you get a factory letter from Cody you'd know what length it should be restored to as well?
  

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Reply #13 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 5:56pm
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kensmachine wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 4:57pm:
1 thing I was not happy with he told me 4-6 mouths to do the job but he had it done in in a month and a 1/2.


Since the turn-around of most smiths usually works out to be twice whatever you were told, I wouldn't be too upset.
  
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Re: 1885 Highwall deliemna
Reply #14 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 6:11pm
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A new barrel will run several hundred dollars, or more. Then the cost of fitting it, and chambering it will run $150-$175. Then add the cost of stamping, or engraving the Winchester rollstamp at probably $150-$250. The cost of having John lengthen and reline was much less, and I still have all the original rollstamps, caliber codes, and serial number.
No question in my mind which was cheaper, and better.
  

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