Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 ... 6 Send TopicPrint
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) Serial Numbers on Stevens 44 1/2 ... (Read 7405 times)
John Boy
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


ASSRA #10288 (Paid Feb
2021 - 2 Yrs)

Posts: 3012
Location: New Jersey
Joined: Feb 19th, 2006
Re: Serial Numbers on Stevens 44 1/2 ...
Reply #15 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 11:29pm
Print Post  
Quote:
Your beautiful Semi-Military #404 can be dated more closely than almost any other Stevens model, because it was built only between 1913 & 1916; not listed in catalog 53 (1912), only the last pre-war cat., #54.

Redsetter, in the Savage & Stevens Arms book, it reads: In the No 53 catalog of 1911, an attractive rifle described as the "Semi Military Model 404 appears, etc. etc... not 1913 to 1916
And this rifle was on a 44 action not a 44 1/2, because it was chambered for a 22LR only
« Last Edit: Apr 10th, 2019 at 11:43pm by John Boy »  

Regards
John
Back to top
IP Logged
 
Kurt_701
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 812
Location: Missouri
Joined: May 20th, 2004
Re: Serial Numbers on Stevens 44 1/2 ...
Reply #16 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 11:36pm
Print Post  
My 44 1/2
#1676  25/20SS double set
#3775 Relined .22LR double set
#8452 Relined 25/20SS
#9831 rebored 32/40 with single set
#10753 .22lr double set
  

M-14 3rd Battalion 27th Marines RVN 68'69'
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Redsetter
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 3468
Location: New York
Joined: Aug 6th, 2013
Re: Serial Numbers on Stevens 44 1/2 ...
Reply #17 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 12:28am
Print Post  
John Boy wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 11:29pm:
Redsetter, in the Savage & Stevens Arms book, it reads: In the No 53 catalog of 1911, an attractive rifle described as the "Semi Military Model 404 appears, etc. etc... not 1913 to 1916


Either a typo or careless research--#53 speaks for itself, & the 404 ain't in it.  (I have 2 original copies.)  It's first listed in #54, & did not (like the 414 model) return to production after the war.

However, it's correct that some were produced on the 44 action, as Grant reports them.  What's fascinating is that the 404 illustration in #54 shows (if you look carefully) a 44 action, but the description of it states 44-1/2!  Which suggests to me that Stevens initially planned to offer it built on the 44 action (perfectly suitable for .22RF, of course), but for some reason switched to the newer action.

But the fact that some 404s were built on 44 actions does not alter the fact that the model itself was only in production 3 yrs or less according to the catalog.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
kensmachine
Senior Forum Member
****
Offline



Posts: 342
Joined: Nov 21st, 2012
Re: Serial Numbers on Stevens 44 1/2 ...
Reply #18 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 12:39am
Print Post  
I have a 404 on a 44 action Ken
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
John Boy
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


ASSRA #10288 (Paid Feb
2021 - 2 Yrs)

Posts: 3012
Location: New Jersey
Joined: Feb 19th, 2006
Re: Serial Numbers on Stevens 44 1/2 ...
Reply #19 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 1:33am
Print Post  
Redsetter - I defer to you and original catalogs.
Stevens information,in my short time frame, thought determining  the 44 1/2 serials was going to be a walk in the park. What I'm coming to realize - the serials are not easy to compile. Digging around on the internet for other 44 1/2 serials and what the forum members posted ... the serials are primarily 4 digits and 5 digit serials are few. So I've only come up with 8 serials with 5 digits, the highest one being 12897.  Lead Pot believes there are no serials higher than 13000, yet on Gun Auctions, they listed one for sale with a serial of 16029. Mistake? Could be. AMOSKEAG listed two 44's for sale and Gail at CPA spotted they were wrong, one being a 44 1/2 that I bought from her
The highest 4 digit serial so far is 9831 and the lowest being 1240 on Cow Auction. If the rifles were numbered sequentially, that puts 8591 rifles that were made and sold...or guessing an average of 660 per year during a period when smokeless powder rifles were the vogue and single shot shooters were in the minority ... which believe is a lot of 44 1/2's
PS:  Good Night Gracie and All Grin
« Last Edit: Apr 11th, 2019 at 1:43am by John Boy »  

Regards
John
Back to top
IP Logged
 
BP
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 8011
Location: Westside
Joined: Aug 27th, 2006
Re: Serial Numbers on Stevens 44 1/2 ...
Reply #20 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 2:07am
Print Post  
Redsetter wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 12:28am:
John Boy wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 11:29pm:
Redsetter, in the Savage & Stevens Arms book, it reads: In the No 53 catalog of 1911, an attractive rifle described as the "Semi Military Model 404 appears, etc. etc... not 1913 to 1916


Either a typo or careless research--#53 speaks for itself, & the 404 ain't in it.  (I have 2 original copies.)  It's first listed in #54, & did not (like the 414 model) return to production after the war.
...

The "Ideal" No. 404 "SEMI-MILITARY" MODEL  Take-Down Weight about 8 lbs.  List Price $27.00   is shown on page (39) of my original STEVENS FIREARMS GENERAL CATALOG NO. 53, and this catalog also contains various pages that have the magenta colored "This Model Discontinued." stampings within the threaded catalog binding.
The No. 404 immediately follows the No. 56 "LADIES' " MODEL which is shown on page (38) of the catalog.
« Last Edit: Apr 11th, 2019 at 2:22am by BP »  

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading, the few who learn by observation, and the rest who have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves.
Proud Noodlehead
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Redsetter
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 3468
Location: New York
Joined: Aug 6th, 2013
Re: Serial Numbers on Stevens 44 1/2 ...
Reply #21 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 8:58am
Print Post  
BP wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 2:07am:
The "Ideal" No. 404 "SEMI-MILITARY" MODEL  Take-Down Weight about 8 lbs.  List Price $27.00   is shown on page (39) of my original STEVENS FIREARMS GENERAL CATALOG NO. 53, and this catalog also contains various pages that have the magenta colored "This Model Discontinued." stampings within the threaded catalog binding.
The No. 404 immediately follows the No. 56 "LADIES' " MODEL which is shown on page (38) of the catalog.


Then I stand corrected--only explanation I can think of is that #53 went through a second edition or printing.  Sharpe also listed 1913 as the first year of 404 production.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
marlinguy
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


Ballards may be weaker,
but they sure are neater!

Posts: 11768
Location: Oregon
Joined: Feb 2nd, 2009
Re: Serial Numbers on Stevens 44 1/2 ...
Reply #22 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 10:31am
Print Post  
#1749 .32-40 Stevens-Pope
  

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
oodmoff
Full Member
***
Offline



Posts: 200
Location: colorado springs
Joined: Jan 12th, 2009
Re: Serial Numbers on Stevens 44 1/2 ...
Reply #23 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 1:11pm
Print Post  
I was bored some Saturday and was away from home so I didn't have any books with me....so apologies up front for all the nomenclature in the linked spreadsheet being wrong (and needs to be corrected), but the best I can contribute at the moment.   Have other folders with photos of several of the rifles listed, but can't upload folders to the drop box.   

I thought I would dedicate more time to the effort but only manage part of a day....but I have kiddos 10 & 12 who are a lot of fun.... might as well go to someone with more time than me.   

Spreadsheet has a few tabs it in.

Like I said only part of a day...(password will quit working after a couple of days) 

A lot of info available on the web if someone has time to stay after it.

Stevens
Password: kVsdgGTqxSwu
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
« Last Edit: Apr 11th, 2019 at 1:20pm by oodmoff »  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
chipmaker
Full Member
***
Offline



Posts: 155
Location: san diego
Joined: Sep 24th, 2007
Re: Serial Numbers on Stevens 44 1/2 ...
Reply #24 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 1:54pm
Print Post  
Stevens 44 1/2
#12913      25-20 SS
#4780      22 LR
#12387      32 RF
#4851      25 RF

  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
LONG RANGE
Senior Forum Member
****
Offline



Posts: 358
Location: CHERRY VALLEY, CA
Joined: Oct 3rd, 2013
Re: Serial Numbers on Stevens 44 1/2 ...
Reply #25 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 4:27pm
Print Post  
If you read Grants book page 102 he describes the 404 Semi- Military. It reads, the rifle was made up on the 44 1/2 action with automatic ejectors and 28 inch round barrel. Chambered in 22LR only. I can tell the difference between the 44 and 44 1/2 action. Just look at the profile. I would not buy a rifle with a 44 action. In my opinion they are too weak for smokeless powder. I saw one that Ray Day wrecked with a moderate load of smokeless and it was factory engraved. It was a 32-40. I will post a close up picture of my 44 1/2.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
John Boy
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


ASSRA #10288 (Paid Feb
2021 - 2 Yrs)

Posts: 3012
Location: New Jersey
Joined: Feb 19th, 2006
Re: Serial Numbers on Stevens 44 1/2 ...
Reply #26 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 5:29pm
Print Post  
Quote:
I hope this settles the question.

Long Range - questioned settled.  It's amazing about Stevens rifle when one reads multiple books and different answers are in both. Grant is an excellent source to resolve a diffrence
  

Regards
John
Back to top
IP Logged
 
LONG RANGE
Senior Forum Member
****
Offline



Posts: 358
Location: CHERRY VALLEY, CA
Joined: Oct 3rd, 2013
Re: Serial Numbers on Stevens 44 1/2 ...
Reply #27 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 6:34pm
Print Post  
I agree John, I refer to that book often. It was given to me in the early 1960s. While the cover is pretty beat up I would never sell it. I used to shoot muzzle loading rifles on the same day the single shot guys met. I fell in love withe the Stevens but of course I couldn't afford one. They were much more expensive than the Winchester Hi Wall, any Remington, even the Hepburn or Ballard either, unless it had a Pope barrel. When you could buy a 1911 in excellent condition for $35 a Stevens 44 1/2 cost several hundred. I did get to trade for a model 45 but the barrel was pretty poor. I had a friend named Ed Mason who had a very large Stevens collection. When he became terminally ill he began to dispose of his Stevens rifles and pistols. I was able to buy the 404 at that time. I don't know why Joe Gorgian bought most of the guns I don't know why he passed on this one. I spelled Joe's name wrong but you get the idea. He does a large business in single shot rifles.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
marlinguy
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


Ballards may be weaker,
but they sure are neater!

Posts: 11768
Location: Oregon
Joined: Feb 2nd, 2009
Re: Serial Numbers on Stevens 44 1/2 ...
Reply #28 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 11:14am
Print Post  
That's probably Jim Goergen, not Joe.
  

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Bill Lawrence
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 981
Joined: Mar 17th, 2014
Re: Serial Numbers on Stevens 44 1/2 ...
Reply #29 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 12:49pm
Print Post  
How quickly we forget these days, even when we had such a long and fairly enlightening discussion about Stevens catalog numbers and dates only last fall.  Be that as it may, the No. 53 is indeed one of the catalogs that had its number repeated, as back then we firmly established that there were at least 1911 and 1912 versions.

Bill Lawrence
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 ... 6
Send TopicPrint