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Reply #15 - May 5th, 2019 at 9:48pm
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I have been using that type of Weber seater for years. They are an excellent solution for a Ballard without a tang sight. Plenty of leverage to seat even oversize bullets. Be careful to get the "claws" engaged on the rear of the action mortise each time. It will become second nature after you use it a few times.
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Reply #16 - May 19th, 2019 at 12:32pm
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Ballard showed up at my door Friday from Rock Island Auction. The people that package the rifles for shipping do a fantastic job. There must have been 10 yards of bubble wrap used, a half of roll of tape and then put into a double box. UPS didn't put a mark on it. After 20 minutes of unwrapping I discovered one fantastic Ballard. Much nicer than the pictures in the auction catalog.
I took the Ballard out to my work shop and scrubbed the barrel out with brushes and JB Bore paste and found the barrel in pretty good shape. Seems like there is a little roughness in front of the chamber but nothing very bad. The rifle was sold as a 32-40 but without any markings on the Winchester #4 barrel so a chamber cast was next on the to do list. Pulled the breach block and a chamber cast did show that it was a 32-40 B&M.
There is 0.800" free bore (area between the chamber and the start of the rifling) so it was chambered for fixed ammo.
I disassembled the breach block for a check and an oiling and found the firing pin had lost it's tip (someone dry fired it). I drilled out the broken tip and replaced it with a piece of tempered O1 drill rod with a tip protrusion of .045. When this rifle was set up for Schuetzen someone ground off the half cock notch and removed the fly. I don't know who made the double set triggers but they are fantastic. Most of the double sets take about 5 or 6 pounds of pull to set but this pair take just about 1 pound to set and the let off is oh so crisp.
     This rifle wears an original Malcolm scope and Malcolm mounts. The scope is 19" long and a 3/4" tube with about 3 power. The cross hairs intact and the glass is still clear. I needed 3 fired cases for Russ Weber to make me a breach seater so I loaded up 5 rounds of fixed ammo and went to the range for fire forming cases. My firing tip protrusion of .045" seems to be perfect for this Rifle. Now to wait for Russ to work his magic on the breach seater.
Here are a few pictures.
A. J. Palik


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Reply #17 - May 19th, 2019 at 12:36pm
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[ftp][/ftp]A few more pictures
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Reply #18 - May 19th, 2019 at 12:38pm
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Reply #19 - May 19th, 2019 at 12:49pm
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Very nice, I hope it shoots as good as it looks!
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Reply #20 - May 19th, 2019 at 1:53pm
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Very Nice rifle.
  

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Reply #21 - May 19th, 2019 at 3:57pm
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Snazzy. (heard that one lately?). Thanks for the pictures of your nice new play toy. I like it.
  

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Reply #22 - May 20th, 2019 at 9:28pm
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Wow! what a beauty!

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Reply #23 - May 21st, 2019 at 9:44am
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Very Charming !
  
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Reply #24 - May 21st, 2019 at 11:55am
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Beautiful schuetzen rifle! The action appears to have likely started out on a #6 1/2 Rigby rifle, and the lever from a #6 Schuetzen. Whoever did the work did a nice job on it.
The Malcolm scope is icing on the cake!
  

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Reply #25 - May 21st, 2019 at 5:36pm
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Beautiful Ballard !!!  Maybe I should start looking for one.  I need to add afew years to my life.  Dale.
  

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Now that I have had a chance to do a little shooting with the Ballard I am now in need of a gunsmith. The .800 free bore is a very BIG problem. The best group I can get off the bench at 100 yds. is about 3". A friend let me use his bore scope/ camera (Lyman) and it looks like someone has taken an electric drill to ream the free bore. Not with a reamer but with a dull drill bit. Metal is actually pushed forward into the rifling groves and the cut metal is as ruff as a horse shoe rasp. The rest of the Winchester barrel looks really good but the free bore----------some fools will try anything.
This rifle has a 30" #4 barrel and I need to find a gunsmith to set back the barrel 1 & 1/2".  The rifle is about 14 pounds so the weight loss of the setback will not be a bad thing.
Wyoming Armory Precision Firearms would be the people that can do the job but by the time I ship and insure everything and let UPS play tackle football with it----
I AM LOOKING FOR A GOOD GUNSMITH WITHIN SEVERAL HOURS DRIVE OF NORTHERN VIRGINIA. Any input would be of great help in this quest.

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Reply #27 - Today at 11:43am
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Can't imagine why it would need 1.5" of barrel setback to fix the issue? I'd think that maybe 1" would remove the damage done to the area and then a rechamber would clean the rest up.
  

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Reply #28 - Today at 11:51am
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If you have made up your mind to "fix" the chamber problem, have you considered having the barrel rebored? That way you would not have to redrill/tap forestock screws, sight block holes, etc.
You might be able to go .33 cal and clean up your chamber issue plus have what amounts to a brand new rifled barrel. The .33-47 was quite popular caliber back during Schuetzen's Golden Age.
  

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Reply #29 - Today at 1:32pm
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1" would clean up the mess with the free bore and that could be an option. As for rebore/rerifle to 33 cal. I most likely will not go that route as I already have 3 32 cal. molds and am not sure that a 33 cal. would clean up the mess. I am capable of doing the drilling and taping for the scope blocks and forearm screws. An extra set of screw holes in the barrel won't hurt the value as the barrel isn't the original Rigby barrel but is a Winchester. Thank you for your input.

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