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Ballard Breach Seater
May 2nd, 2019 at 4:42pm
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Does anyone have a picture of a Ballard breach seater that they would like to share. The reason I ask is I have my eye on a Ballard in 32-40. I have several of Russ Weber's seaters for a CPA and have made one for a Remington Hepburn. Also does the Ballard have enough caming action to use a plugged case to breach seat a cast bullet?
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Re: Ballard Breach Seater
Reply #1 - May 2nd, 2019 at 4:47pm
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Here's two plungers, 32-38, and a Russ Weber seater;
  
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Reply #2 - May 2nd, 2019 at 5:25pm
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Another option would be to use Schoyen's approach by using a Lug on the action and then making one similar to his own and a Traditional approach.

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Re: Ballard Breach Seater
Reply #3 - May 2nd, 2019 at 7:36pm
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I made one that pushes the bullet in off the sight base.  I'll did it out an take a picture if you think you might want to do it that way.  I pushes off of the right side screw the sight staff pivots on. You do have to pay attention to hold it the same each time; but, then, shooting a Ballard requires paying attention to double charging  Shocked
  

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Reply #4 - May 2nd, 2019 at 8:25pm
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Thank you for the replies. I don't think I'll use the sight base but that is another option. Will have to see if I get the Ballard.

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Reply #5 - May 2nd, 2019 at 8:36pm
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This is the breech seating tool I built to use in my Ballard rifles. I have different rods/cases for different calibers and guns.

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Reply #6 - May 2nd, 2019 at 9:09pm
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Another option is to install a stud on the barrel. That way you don't have to drill and tap a nice action.

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Reply #7 - May 2nd, 2019 at 9:19pm
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I too use what I call the stirrup style seater with sliding adjustable inserts.  The middle one has a provision to use thin washers to adjust the seating depth while the bottom one requires the bottom threaded piece to be screwed in and out.  Once the desired depth was ascertained, I secured it with Loctite.

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Reply #8 - May 2nd, 2019 at 10:26pm
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Another variation, using a notched addition behind the rear block. 

Slip the loaded seater into the breach, rotate the tab 90 degrees counter-clockwise into the extension, pull handle to seat bullet.

Doug Knoell's work.
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Reply #9 - May 3rd, 2019 at 4:38pm
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My Ballard breech seater
  
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Reply #10 - May 3rd, 2019 at 4:57pm
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Does that one push against the hooks into the receiver, against the tang sight base, or both?

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Reply #11 - May 3rd, 2019 at 8:00pm
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Hooks on receiver and totally clears the sight
  
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Reply #12 - May 5th, 2019 at 4:58pm
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Today I pulled the trigger at the auction house and the Ballard will be my newest play toy. Searching the net I found this breach seater. Can anyone tell me if it is one of Russ Weber's and if anyone has used a seater like this one?
Here is the link to the rifle.
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Reply #13 - May 5th, 2019 at 5:17pm
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That looks like it could be a Weber seater, but not positive. Very nice Ballard you got at the auction!
  

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Reply #14 - May 5th, 2019 at 7:16pm
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Yes it is a Weber seater.
I have seen him selling that particular style of his seater at Raton.

Russ makes a breech seater for just about every single shot rifle made.

Send him a couple of fired cases and he will thread them to screw onto this seater.
  
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Reply #15 - May 5th, 2019 at 9:48pm
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I have been using that type of Weber seater for years. They are an excellent solution for a Ballard without a tang sight. Plenty of leverage to seat even oversize bullets. Be careful to get the "claws" engaged on the rear of the action mortise each time. It will become second nature after you use it a few times.
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Reply #16 - May 19th, 2019 at 12:32pm
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Ballard showed up at my door Friday from Rock Island Auction. The people that package the rifles for shipping do a fantastic job. There must have been 10 yards of bubble wrap used, a half of roll of tape and then put into a double box. UPS didn't put a mark on it. After 20 minutes of unwrapping I discovered one fantastic Ballard. Much nicer than the pictures in the auction catalog.
I took the Ballard out to my work shop and scrubbed the barrel out with brushes and JB Bore paste and found the barrel in pretty good shape. Seems like there is a little roughness in front of the chamber but nothing very bad. The rifle was sold as a 32-40 but without any markings on the Winchester #4 barrel so a chamber cast was next on the to do list. Pulled the breach block and a chamber cast did show that it was a 32-40 B&M.
There is 0.800" free bore (area between the chamber and the start of the rifling) so it was chambered for fixed ammo.
I disassembled the breach block for a check and an oiling and found the firing pin had lost it's tip (someone dry fired it). I drilled out the broken tip and replaced it with a piece of tempered O1 drill rod with a tip protrusion of .045. When this rifle was set up for Schuetzen someone ground off the half cock notch and removed the fly. I don't know who made the double set triggers but they are fantastic. Most of the double sets take about 5 or 6 pounds of pull to set but this pair take just about 1 pound to set and the let off is oh so crisp.
     This rifle wears an original Malcolm scope and Malcolm mounts. The scope is 19" long and a 3/4" tube with about 3 power. The cross hairs intact and the glass is still clear. I needed 3 fired cases for Russ Weber to make me a breach seater so I loaded up 5 rounds of fixed ammo and went to the range for fire forming cases. My firing tip protrusion of .045" seems to be perfect for this Rifle. Now to wait for Russ to work his magic on the breach seater.
Here are a few pictures.
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Reply #17 - May 19th, 2019 at 12:36pm
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[ftp][/ftp]A few more pictures
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Reply #18 - May 19th, 2019 at 12:38pm
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Reply #19 - May 19th, 2019 at 12:49pm
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Very nice, I hope it shoots as good as it looks!
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Reply #20 - May 19th, 2019 at 1:53pm
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Very Nice rifle.
  

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Reply #21 - May 19th, 2019 at 3:57pm
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Snazzy. (heard that one lately?). Thanks for the pictures of your nice new play toy. I like it.
  

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Reply #22 - May 20th, 2019 at 9:28pm
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Wow! what a beauty!

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Reply #23 - May 21st, 2019 at 9:44am
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Reply #24 - May 21st, 2019 at 11:55am
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Beautiful schuetzen rifle! The action appears to have likely started out on a #6 1/2 Rigby rifle, and the lever from a #6 Schuetzen. Whoever did the work did a nice job on it.
The Malcolm scope is icing on the cake!
  

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Reply #25 - May 21st, 2019 at 5:36pm
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Beautiful Ballard !!!  Maybe I should start looking for one.  I need to add afew years to my life.  Dale.
  

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Reply #26 - Jun 17th, 2019 at 11:08am
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Now that I have had a chance to do a little shooting with the Ballard I am now in need of a gunsmith. The .800 free bore is a very BIG problem. The best group I can get off the bench at 100 yds. is about 3". A friend let me use his bore scope/ camera (Lyman) and it looks like someone has taken an electric drill to ream the free bore. Not with a reamer but with a dull drill bit. Metal is actually pushed forward into the rifling groves and the cut metal is as ruff as a horse shoe rasp. The rest of the Winchester barrel looks really good but the free bore----------some fools will try anything.
This rifle has a 30" #4 barrel and I need to find a gunsmith to set back the barrel 1 & 1/2".  The rifle is about 14 pounds so the weight loss of the setback will not be a bad thing.
Wyoming Armory Precision Firearms would be the people that can do the job but by the time I ship and insure everything and let UPS play tackle football with it----
I AM LOOKING FOR A GOOD GUNSMITH WITHIN SEVERAL HOURS DRIVE OF NORTHERN VIRGINIA. Any input would be of great help in this quest.

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Reply #27 - Jun 17th, 2019 at 11:43am
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Can't imagine why it would need 1.5" of barrel setback to fix the issue? I'd think that maybe 1" would remove the damage done to the area and then a rechamber would clean the rest up.
  

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Reply #28 - Jun 17th, 2019 at 11:51am
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If you have made up your mind to "fix" the chamber problem, have you considered having the barrel rebored? That way you would not have to redrill/tap forestock screws, sight block holes, etc.
You might be able to go .33 cal and clean up your chamber issue plus have what amounts to a brand new rifled barrel. The .33-47 was quite popular caliber back during Schuetzen's Golden Age.
  

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Reply #29 - Jun 17th, 2019 at 1:32pm
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1" would clean up the mess with the free bore and that could be an option. As for rebore/rerifle to 33 cal. I most likely will not go that route as I already have 3 32 cal. molds and am not sure that a 33 cal. would clean up the mess. I am capable of doing the drilling and taping for the scope blocks and forearm screws. An extra set of screw holes in the barrel won't hurt the value as the barrel isn't the original Rigby barrel but is a Winchester. Thank you for your input.

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Reply #30 - Jun 18th, 2019 at 10:05am
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At least it's a full octagon so the forearm wont hang over like it would on a half octagon. Aesthetics are important with a fine gun like yours, so length of barrel should be kept as long as possible.
  

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Reply #31 - Jun 18th, 2019 at 12:53pm
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If you want to keep it .32-40 have it relined.  TJs liners shoot as well as any barrel made and you can get the chamber just the way you want it.

And you don't have to mess with an otherwise nice outside.
  
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Reply #32 - Jul 3rd, 2019 at 7:05pm
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After much thought and talking to several Gunsmiths I have chosen to have the Winchester barrel relined. I looked at TJ's liners. From what I have read they are very good if they are installed properly. Instead of TJ's I have gone with Bobby Hoyt of Pa. to do the work. He will make his own liner to my specs. He has the chamber reamer on his bench and his work is well known for excellence. I live 2 hours from his shop so no fooling with shipping and insurance. Shipping and ins. would cost several hundred dollars. He thinks that he can have the job done in several months so the wait begins.

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