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Re: 1873 Sharps 50 Bull Barrel
Reply #15 - May 4th, 2019 at 5:30pm
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Dave,
  I think you did a damn fine job. For Zack to compare it to a dug relic or the other one in better condition than your's is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is the idea your work devalued it by 5-7 thousand dollars or more. The stock doesn't look touched to me.
  I smell a troll. Wink
  

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Reply #16 - May 4th, 2019 at 6:08pm
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No Jeff not a troll. Been here for going on a decade. Instead of name calling Ill just say that anyone who has seen more than one original sharps knows that wood has been cleaned and that cleaning the metal like was done did more damage yet. All the best and Im done with this as it could go on forever,

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Reply #17 - May 4th, 2019 at 7:15pm
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Not picking sides but in Zack's defense a many a dug relic from Civil War battlefields will bring, to my way of thinking, unbelieveable amounts of money while a pristine example of the same period pales in comparison. Could be that many of the Sharps investors hold to the same value standards.
  
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Re: 1873 Sharps 50 Bull Barrel
Reply #18 - May 5th, 2019 at 5:29pm
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  Probably another $1000 down the drain. Grin
  

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Reply #19 - May 5th, 2019 at 6:10pm
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Grin that smug Yankee humor is funny regardless if its ignorant ! Grin Endearing too.
  
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Reply #20 - May 5th, 2019 at 8:39pm
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Red rust is active rust; it's still causing damage and by no stretch can be called "patina".  Speaking as a restorationist and a professional appraiser, it seems to me that Schuetzendave did the right thing.

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Reply #21 - May 5th, 2019 at 10:32pm
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I would agree regarding red active rust but would still argue that 1- too much cleaning was done as the gun looks like a bright shiny wreck or 2- if the gun was 100% active crawling red rust  the job was only half done and the gun was left looking bad after. Either case an amateurish job on a potentially rare gun.  Might as well dropped the thing in evaporust and rubbed it down with vans-probably would have looked better actually. I violated my own "im not going back tit for tat on this post forever" rule. Have a nice day all and keep the steel wool, pennies and blind enthusiasm off of old guns- and remember that people can disagree and call each other out without YELLING (dave)  or name calling (jeff) and no "Yankee" is not name calling I capitalized it  Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #22 - May 6th, 2019 at 8:08am
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Dave- that barrel looks terrible. Im sorry it just does. It looks like a poorly cleaned gun. That grey is what I am referring to when I say "bright". A patinated gun or even a gun that was abused and rusted but continued to be used doesnt look like that. There are lots of other less aggressive ways of neutralizing active rust if the gun was truly 100% active red rust. When people replace parts on antique guns actively rusting the part is the first step in matching the patina. The way that gun was cleaned it screams from a mile away that the metal was cleaned. That gun gets listed by an auction house and the description will read rare 1869 sharps with highly desireable heavy barrel in .50cal. Condition: cleaned metal and wood- the "cleaned metal and wood" part is not a good thing. It is not like saying very clean 1955 Chevy Apache. With many antique firearms and Sharps in particular the metal and wood cleaning easily cut the value in half or more. The more pics that are sent and the more I look at them the more sad I feel that the rifle was damaged so.   I stand by everything I said previously.
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Reply #23 - May 6th, 2019 at 9:34am
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Right on Bill L about the red rust.

Kudos to Dave and his friend for saving this great piece of firearm history. Bet she will speak again soon and we will get to see targets. Keep her on the range often, the patina will return naturally and we can enjoy hearing that big fifty roar for many more years unlike that stockless tent stake posted earlier.

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Reply #24 - May 6th, 2019 at 9:54am
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Don- buy a shiloh if thats what you want. Forrest Fenn owns sitting bulls pipe but does he clean off the grime and smoke it ? Maybe you would so it wouldnt just be a tomato stake on the wall. The rusty exterior of the gun Dave killed wasnt keeping it from being shot. That attitude ruins so many artifacts of our past each day. Scares me.
  
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Re: 1873 Sharps 50 Bull Barrel
Reply #25 - May 6th, 2019 at 12:14pm
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Zack T wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 9:54am:
Don- buy a shiloh if thats what you want. Forrest Fenn owns sitting bulls pipe but does he clean off the grime and smoke it ? Maybe you would so it wouldnt just be a tomato stake on the wall. The rusty exterior of the gun Dave killed wasnt keeping it from being shot. That attitude ruins so many artifacts of our past each day. Scares me.


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Reply #26 - May 6th, 2019 at 12:46pm
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You know Zack I tried just what you suggest, I have Pope High Wall Schuetzen (last muzzle loading barrel Harry made) in my care and I would not trade one shot from that rifle for a 1000 shots from the modern High Wall I bought to take the pressure off the Pope. I do not shoot it often but I do shoot it occasionally to keep Harry from throwing a lightening bolt through my heart for not shooting it.

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Reply #27 - May 6th, 2019 at 2:16pm
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Don1885, is your Pope High Wall the one he built for Lucian Carey and which, I think, was sold at Julia's 4-5 years ago?

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Reply #28 - May 6th, 2019 at 2:36pm
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Yes it is Bill.
  

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Re: 1873 Sharps 50 Bull Barrel
Reply #29 - May 6th, 2019 at 4:05pm
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While we all regret mistakes made in attempt to restore or clean up a antique, it is really no one's business but that of the owner. Volunteer your opinion once. There isn't any point in arguing. I am fortunate to have a Pope Highwall, and I do shoot it.
  

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