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Reply #15 - May 9th, 2019 at 3:20pm
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My Ballard shows no sign of primer pounding the breach block shooting 1000s of LR.  I did have the boyz at Cody make a new breech block but that was to have a quick change spare part in case of spring or firing pin problems during a match. Neither shows the problem.  Could it be a high pressure issue?
  

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Reply #16 - May 9th, 2019 at 4:15pm
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I do know that Kirk at Shiloh Sharps advises not to use pistol primers in the rifles he builds.  He's apparently had people bring in damaged breech blocks.

I have shot thousands of them in C. Sharps highwalls and hundreds in my CPA rifles with no ill effects, but I almost always shim the primers with 0.006" paper.  I don't know if that really helps, but it sounds good to me.

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Reply #17 - May 9th, 2019 at 7:56pm
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Well, that was easy enough to check. I just checked Federal small pistol match and small rifle match. They both measured .1185 in height. Maybe CIL used to make some weird ones;-) I use the Federal small pistol match primers in my 25-20 SS, by the way, with 6.8 grains of H108 under Lyman 257420 GC bullets cast of 1 to 20.
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Reply #18 - May 9th, 2019 at 8:25pm
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Could it be a high pressure issue?

I believe it was.
John used a higher powder load so the slamming back of the pistol primer was related to his load being more of a rifle load as opposed to the pistol loads most Schuetzen shooters use.
  
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Reply #19 - May 9th, 2019 at 9:47pm
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oneatatime wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:56pm:
Well, that was easy enough to check. I just checked Federal small pistol match and small rifle match. They both measured .1185 in height. Maybe CIL used to make some weird ones;-) I use the Federal small pistol match primers in my 25-20 SS, by the way, with 6.8 grains of H108 under Lyman 257420 GC bullets cast of 1 to 20.


My Ballard experience has been Fed 150 LP.  I have never measured them.
  

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Reply #20 - May 9th, 2019 at 10:44pm
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 9:47pm:
oneatatime wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:56pm:
Well, that was easy enough to check. I just checked Federal small pistol match and small rifle match. They both measured .1185 in height. Maybe CIL used to make some weird ones;-) I use the Federal small pistol match primers in my 25-20 SS, by the way, with 6.8 grains of H108 under Lyman 257420 GC bullets cast of 1 to 20.


My Ballard experience has been Fed 150 LP.  I have never measured them.

The Small Rifle and Small Pistol primer pocket uniforming tool from Sinclair uses the same smaller diameter cutter and is set to the same pocket depth for both types of small primers.
The Large Rifle and Large Pistol primer pocket uniforming tools from Sinclair uses the same larger diameter cutter, but the Large Rifle primer pocket uniformer is set for a deeper pocket depth, while the Large Pistol primer pocket uniformer is set to a shallower pocket depth.
  

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Reply #21 - May 10th, 2019 at 3:07am
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Do we know yet the maker of that tang sight on Reverend Al's rifle?
  
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Reply #22 - May 10th, 2019 at 2:26pm
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The sight mystery is solved!  I went to take some close ups of the sight today.  When I removed the sight disc and looked closer I saw that it was marked "Watson Reg'd" on it.  Nothing else on the base or mast.  OK, so next I had a closer look with a magnifying glass at the front globe sight with pinball post and very faintly (a bit tough to read with my terrible eyes) it says:  "Watson Pat'd Dec 12 05" and then under that "Niagara Falls Canada".  There is something more just behind the patent date, but I can't make it out.  Possibly another date?

So I went looking online (Google is your friend!) and low and behold I found a post about Mr. Watson and his sights!  Apparently he was a Canadian sight maker in Niagara Falls, Ontario which makes sense since this rifle came from Ontario.  Here is the info that was in that post.

I had the opportunity of examining an 1899 rifle on the weekend that had a Watson front globe sight. On the sight it stated "Watson, Niagara Falls, Canada, Sept 06".
This may help solve the mystery of who Watson, where and when he produced sights.


Does anyone have any further info on Watson sights?

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Reply #23 - May 10th, 2019 at 3:45pm
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Good work, Reverend Al!  It appears to be a very well-made sight; and since Niagara Falls, Canada is literally just over the border, I'm surprised that we haven't seen more of them, especially on guns originally from the New York area around the falls.  In any case, it gives me something new to look for.

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Reply #24 - May 10th, 2019 at 5:47pm
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That rings a bell. I had to look it up and when I saw the square shaft that cinched it. I have one at my smith that some day will end up on my H&A 1122 when it is lined.
  
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