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May 11th, 2019 at 8:29pm
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Just paid for a big brother to my little 7x14 Grizzly lathe.  Ron Heilman (sight maker extraordinaire) had this South Band Heavy 10 with 4.5' bed and hardened ways.  It came with some great tooling as shown.
Adjustable 6", 6 jaw scroll chuck, 6" 4 jaw chuck, steady rest, follower rest, micrometer carriage stop, 5 C collet closer, collet tray, QC tool post and other goodies.  Won't be picking the lathe up until later next week.  Gives me time to rearrange my shop.

This is the last big toy on my pre-retirement bucket list  Going to have to fine a hole in the back yard to bury all the barrels I mess up  Grin
  

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Reply #1 - May 11th, 2019 at 9:15pm
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Congrats ! Great machine and the tooling to get you going ! I have been running a 13" sb as a rank beginner and love it. Found the old southbend "how to run a lathe" book very helpful. I think John Hinnants book "the complete illustrated guide to precision rifle barrel fitting" is good. He talks about working between centers and through the headstock. Touches on the "gordy gritters" aka grizzly rod method too though there are a couple better resources for that method. Im sure the more experienced guys can chime in. I found an old southbend machine shop projects book with lots of increasingly difficult shop projects a great way to start making chips. Congrats again you will love that machine.

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Reply #2 - May 11th, 2019 at 9:24pm
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Congrats, you will love it, great machine. I have one just like it that I have owned now for probably 10 years. Mine came with much much tooling. Smiley Have fun
  
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Reply #3 - May 11th, 2019 at 9:30pm
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Zack,

I have both those books.  Now I have to start studying them more.  I also have a two volume machine shop training course and Machine Shop Trade Secrets by Harvey.  Tubal Cain on You tube is a great resource as well.

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Reply #4 - May 11th, 2019 at 9:35pm
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Haha I love tubalcain. There are a ton of great youtube guys out there if you are so inclined. I like this old tony too. Not a gunsmithing channel but lots of good shop stuff and he is a closeted airgun guy. Glad you got a collet closer with it. I use my collets a ton. Probably more than my chucks for small gun part stuff. I have been liking using collet blocks on the mill too. Surprising how many little bits can have features cut on the lathe in collets then transferred to the mill in collet blocks to have other features cut. Im in the very green stage so always learning. Best- zack
  
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Reply #5 - May 12th, 2019 at 7:36am
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If your falling asleep your taking too light of a cut.  If the Machine is jumping around your taking too heavy of a cut.  If the parts won't go together you need to take more off.  If they fall apart on assembly you took off too much.  Simple, Yup!  A challenge, Yup!
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Reply #6 - May 12th, 2019 at 8:46am
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If Ron had it, it has to be a good machine! Good see that picture with Ron standing there. He looks like he's still doing great! Tell Ron I said hello when you pick up the lathe!
  

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Ron seems to be doing fine. He said the demand for his soule sight has dropped off with the cheaper alternatives on the market but the German sights are still selling.  He has a table at Puyallup still and has been shooting military CBA.  I think he said he won the match at Paul Bunyan yesterday morning. I look forward to making chips on that lathe.

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Reply #9 - May 12th, 2019 at 1:35pm
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Jack,
Thank you for the Email.

That's a really nice looking lathe, with all the tooling you should need (for now  Smiley).

I'm sure your wife will know where to find you for at least the next year  Roll Eyes

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bpjack wrote on May 12th, 2019 at 10:52am:
Vall,
Ron seems to be doing fine. He said the demand for his soule sight has dropped off with the cheaper alternatives on the market but the German sights are still selling.  He has a table at Puyallup still and has been shooting military CBA.  I think he said he won the match at Paul Bunyan yesterday morning. I look forward to making chips on that lathe.

Jack


Looks like he's got a new seller in  his thimbles for the Pacific Ballard barrels! He's been doing good with those sales recently.
  

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Reply #11 - May 13th, 2019 at 8:29am
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nice lathe, you may know this or not....set up the lathe using a precision machinists level. check end to end so there is not a twist to the bed. the old SB will love you for that. this will get you the inherent accuracy it was made with.
  
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Reply #12 - May 13th, 2019 at 9:08am
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Jack:

Let me know when you are taking orders.

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My Lathe is directly mounted onto a very solid piece of angle iron, the intent to keep the bed from twisting and it being level to the base itself. In others words when using a machinist level all though the base is not perfectly level the reading on the machinist level reads the same across the ways for their entire length. I also cannot detect any twisting in the base while prying up on one corner trying to purposely induce a different reading on the machinist level across the ways. In other words I believe it to be a better mounting system compared to a typical and separate from lathe base and I hope that makes some sense.
  
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Reply #14 - May 13th, 2019 at 2:05pm
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Terms of parallel, twisted and flat actually get pretty muddy when talking about lathes and Im not quakified to give a treatise. Precision work can be turned out on a lathe mounted to the floor of a ships machine shop because the bed ways and floor are parallel. The concrete floor in my shop changes enough with temperature that my lathe level pics up a few thou of difference
  
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Reply #15 - May 13th, 2019 at 2:38pm
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Looking over the pictures, your lathe appears to be a "Tool Room" lathe. Those are the best of lathes. They are extremely hard to wear out!

I've only worked on two SB's, a 13 and 16 (at the same shop) and never had to repair anything on them so, I don't know how the head stocks are attached but, most modern lathes have the head stock on a pivot so, you can adjust it's relationship to the bed. Older lathes are machined to fit the head stock, on the ways and there is no adjustment.

You won't have any trouble leveling it, because the bed is very stiff. After leveling it, chuck a piece of 1" or larger, aluminum  and take a very light cut, with a sharp tool, over about 3" and check for any taper. If that's good, run a test indicator in the tail stock and make sure it is aligned with the head stock and you'll be good to go.

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Reply #16 - May 13th, 2019 at 8:21pm
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Zack your example of it being used on a ship and still being capable of doing precision work based on how it is setup. Well it Is simply the best example of an area not capable of maintaining level and an outstanding example and one I have not heard being shared in quite sometime.
  
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Reply #17 - May 13th, 2019 at 8:57pm
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Looks like Ron has it on his engine hoist sooner than he thought.  I am picking it up tomorrow at 2.  It is going to get a cleaning before moving to its final resting place.  Good advise from all.

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Reply #18 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:01am
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Great Jack. I have a Heavy 10" like yours. Stored it for a Buddy for nearly 15
Years and finally contacted him for permission to set it up for use. He felt guilty and sold it too me for a bargain price. Took a while to get stuff together, although it came with the important accessories. It has the Cam lock spindle and that was a problem because the Draw Bar length is different than all the others. I have been getting by with a 9" Model A south bend since 1969 and am all tooled up so still go back to that for a lot of my work. But am slowly bleeding off to the 10" hard to break old habits. Do not bury the spoiled Barrels. Save them for Goat stakes. It is easier to hunt them down
when they are staked out and they cannot run too far if you only wound them from 10 feet away. Regards, FITZ. OLD TUCK Smiley
  
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The hour trip from Ron's place in Puyallup was uneventful as was sliding it out of the trailer into my shop.  Some cleaning and oiling lies ahead.

Dave,
Ship me a dozen RKS barrels to practice on.  If one turns out OK I will ship it back to Canada!

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Reply #20 - May 14th, 2019 at 9:35pm
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I bought the SB oil kit from blue chip machine. Its not cheap but cheaper than buying a gallon of everything. A gallon of way oil  would last me 200 years
  
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Thanks Zack

I saw their eBay listings.  Their web site store is down maybe because eBay is easier.  I guess I will order some even though I have a bottle of SB way oil already.

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Looking over the pictures, your lathe appears to be a "Tool Room" lathe. Those are the best of lathes. They are extremely hard to wear out!


Good eye Frank.  Based on the catalog Number it is a tool room lathe.  # is CL 8187 RB

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Reply #23 - May 14th, 2019 at 11:36pm
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The most barrels Ron has ever provided as a single order was 10 to Connie to build his .45-70 gatling gun.

Maybe you should build a gatling gun Jack with your new lathe.
  
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I am thinking maybe a cannon.  Somewhere around here I have a 2-1/2 x 12 brass round.  May do some precision wood turning as well.  I hear there is a high demand for toothpicks.

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Reply #25 - May 14th, 2019 at 11:58pm
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You could get one of the scaled down plans for a .22 gatling. From what I have seen you really need a mill and an indexing head to complete those projects though. Id like to do a mountain howitzer myself. I use 10x more spindle oil than anything else. that grease with the guys name for the back gear- the tube he sells is enough for your machine and all your friends machines for the next 10 years
  
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A matched pair of gold and silver toothpicks.

Those aspen toothpicks do taste terrible.
  
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Reply #27 - May 19th, 2019 at 11:09pm
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I got removed all the panels and cleaned them up and painted the sketchy parts.  Someone has painted it grey over original(?) blue.  Found some paint at the local Lowes that was a perfect match.  Got it all back together late today.  Still on dollies but the location looks like it will work, so I will pull then this week.

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