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Reverend Al Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 378 Location: Victoria BC Canada Joined: Jun 25^th, 2016	Ballard Long Range in an upcoming auction ... May 12^th, 2019 at 1:46pm	Print Post
	Don't know if anyone spotted this one in an upcoming auction yet, but it might get Val in trouble if he sees it? (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2708 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Ballard Long Range in an upcoming auction ... Reply #1 - May 12^th, 2019 at 2:18pm	Print Post
	I sure wouldn't be willing to buy that story they are telling about it. Well, maybe the part about Harold's Club gun collection. Nice rifle, though. As a young man, I spent many hours in that collection and probably saw it there. I have been a fan of Hickok (they misspelled his name) since I first read Rosa's biography. Don't remember any story like that being told in the museum or the book. You'd think I'd have remembered at least a little of that info.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 11571 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard Long Range in an upcoming auction ... Reply #2 - May 12^th, 2019 at 3:26pm	Print Post
	Yes, I saw it, and I too am skeptical of the story, provenance or not. The gun is the #7 Long Range A-1 version. The first #7 Long Range rifles were made in 1875-76 era, and were not engraved. The #7 A-1 came late 1876, so the story already falls apart with the gunsmith's provenance dates. There were no Marlin Ballard rifles in 1874, as it wasn't until mid 1875 before Marlin began selling them. Another question to his letter. I have a plain first year #7, and would like an #7 A-1 engraved, but that's not a great specimen, and I wouldn't pay the lower end of their estimate range. I think it should go more around $6k considering the buyer's premium that will be added to it. Might not get that unless someone believes the letter of provenance and goes nuts.

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2708 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Ballard Long Range in an upcoming auction ... Reply #3 - May 12^th, 2019 at 7:28pm	Print Post
	Well, there goes the story for sure then, Vall. By 1876 ol' Wild Bill was dead in Deadwood. Hardly able to go to Utah and demonstrate long range shooting. Not that he EVER was know for that. Rosa, and all the others fail to mention a shooting tour with Cody either. I don't know all that stuff about the rifle like you do, but between the pair of us, I suppose that we know the seller is at least a duped man himself, or a bullsh---er. I can't specifically recall that rifle in the Harold's collection, but there were lots of things to see in it, and my interests were in other areas at that time anyhow. How many on this list saw it before Hughes' organization peddled it?

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 11571 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard Long Range in an upcoming auction ... Reply #4 - May 12^th, 2019 at 7:48pm	Print Post
	I don't think the story ever mentioned Wild Bill, Pat? It was supposedly Buffalo Bill, not Wild Bill. Hickock had very poor eyesight, so surely would not have been doing any long range shooting.

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2708 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Ballard Long Range in an upcoming auction ... Reply #5 - May 12^th, 2019 at 10:51pm	Print Post
	Go read 'er again Vall. Say the rifle was brought to a long range shooting demo in '74 or '75 by Cody and Hickok. I don't pay any attention to Cody firearms- they seem to show up a lot. Now, that other feller........................ (he had poor eyesight by that time. probably a reason he was such a night prowler. And, like I mentioned, he never was known as a long range rifleman anyhow. He probably knew how to shoot one, but not his 'specialty' for sure.) second edit; (the story teller also misspelled James Severn. Can't spell, and probably can't get his story straight either.)
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6628 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Ballard Long Range in an upcoming auction ... Reply #6 - May 13^th, 2019 at 12:05am	Print Post
	Oh the speculation of it all is this just another case of collusion or does someone actually have access to all of the facts?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 11571 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard Long Range in an upcoming auction ... Reply #7 - May 13^th, 2019 at 11:07am	Print Post
	My mistake Pat. Yes they do mention Hickock, and also mention "promoting their wild west show". It was actually a different "William" as Cody's partner. William Carver, not Hickock who was the part owner.

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2708 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Ballard Long Range in an upcoming auction ... Reply #8 - May 13^th, 2019 at 11:33am	Print Post
	Could have been Carver, Vall. If it happened at all, that is. I don't know how that would have gone in the mid seventies. Wild Bill did spend time on stage in Cody's company of actors, but left in time to get murdered in Montana by the time the story with the rifle takes place. If it could be really authenticated, and corrected, that would be a nifty rifle in a fellow's collection. Till then I'd need to take your advice on its value. Collusion? Who's?

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sureshot Full Member Offline Posts: 236 Location: Snohomish Joined: May 27^th, 2007	Re: Ballard Long Range in an upcoming auction ... Reply #9 - May 13^th, 2019 at 11:54am	Print Post
	When did they move Deadwood to Montana? Steve.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 11571 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard Long Range in an upcoming auction ... Reply #10 - May 13^th, 2019 at 12:28pm	Print Post
	South Dakota, but maybe every state has one? I know Oregon does! Ours is in the Coast Range West of Eugene, Or.

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2708 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Ballard Long Range in an upcoming auction ... Reply #11 - May 13^th, 2019 at 12:46pm	Print Post
	Mea Culpa. I know better, too. Thanks fer straightening out one more of the inaccuracies in the saga of the long ranger. Hi-ho.

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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 1457 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: Ballard Long Range in an upcoming auction ... Reply #12 - May 13^th, 2019 at 10:15pm	Print Post
	I appears to have some sort of a proof mark on the barrel. ?quien sabe?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 11571 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard Long Range in an upcoming auction ... Reply #13 - May 14^th, 2019 at 10:14am	Print Post
	I saw the marks, but can't make them out, so unsure what they are? I thought maybe it went overseas and got proofed at that point?

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Reverend Al Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 378 Location: Victoria BC Canada Joined: Jun 25^th, 2016	Re: Ballard Long Range in an upcoming auction ... Reply #14 - May 22^nd, 2019 at 2:27pm	Print Post
	Well, somebody has started the bidding with the minimum bid of $4,500 ...

	I may have passed my "Best Before" date, but I haven't quite reached my "Expiry" date yet ...
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