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10 ga Stevens Tip-Up
May 18th, 2019 at 9:59pm
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I was at Triple A Gun and Pawn in Deland today and they have a 10ga Stevens Tip-Up.
I didn't think the gun would take modern shells, but the salesman showed me a 3 1/2" shell fit in and chambered.
This just doesn't seem right to me, can anyone tell me when the 3 1/2" 10Ga shell was introduced and when the last 10ga Tip-Up was made? the gun is in good shape and less than $200, but I don't want to lose life or limb.
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Re: 10 ga Stevens Tip-Up
Reply #1 - May 19th, 2019 at 12:15am
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I don't know about the Stevens specifically, but a shot shell that chambers also needs room for the crimp to unfold.  I have heard in the past that this cane be an issue  in 12 ga 2 3/4" that will chamber a 3".
  

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Reply #2 - May 19th, 2019 at 6:42am
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They were made up to around 1886. It was most likely chambered for brass shells and black powder. There is no way I would fire a modern round in that old classic.
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Reply #3 - May 19th, 2019 at 8:27am
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Likely a Model 30 produced after 1872. Could have a 2-5/8" chamber and low pressure ammo is available from RST or you could load BP and have some fun with shortened hulls. I wouldn't consider shooting a 3-1/2" at all. You probably find a modern H&R 10 gauge for the same money or less but they are punishing to shoot. I know. ratseye
  
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Re: 10 ga Stevens Tip-Up
Reply #4 - May 19th, 2019 at 8:45am
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Thanks guys, I had an 1887 Winchester I shot with black powder and it wasn't all that bad.
I think that action was a lot stronger than a Tip-Up. I might still buy it for BP, but probably not. They had a really beat #2 Ballard there for $495, very loose missing extractor, and a few more singleshots, all overpriced to me. Good to see a shop that at least had some.

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Re: 10 ga Stevens Tip-Up
Reply #5 - May 19th, 2019 at 9:43am
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Rebel, if I saw a 10ga in a pawn shop - Snap it up in a heart beat
That would give me a 16ga - 12ga -10ga and a 32 Long RF Tip Up.
Just an observation - Tip Up's are starting to become popular and your 10ga is the first one I've heard of out there. Tip Up shotguns were not widely advertised in their catalogs
  

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Reply #6 - May 19th, 2019 at 10:41am
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That the pawn shop's staff member was either stupid or conniving enough to try to convince a customer that a Stevens tip-up in any gauge could safely fire a modern 3-1/2" shell boggles my mind.

That being said, a 10 ga. Stevens tip-up is a rare gun and would certainly be worth more than $200 to a dedicated collector, as our John Boy has already indicated.

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Reply #7 - May 19th, 2019 at 9:09pm
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Buy it and I'll give you $250 plus shipping to me.
  
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Reply #8 - May 20th, 2019 at 9:03am
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I think that you should buy this tip-up and sell it on the forum for a reasonable markup just so it could become available to our single shot community on the forum.
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Reply #9 - May 20th, 2019 at 12:14pm
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Thank you for your opinion.

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Reply #10 - May 20th, 2019 at 12:29pm
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Generally 19th century shotguns did not have standard chamber lengths. Many will chamber modern shells that are likely to cause trouble.

Donít think I would shoot smokeless powder shells in a tip up but do shoot light BP shells in a 1875 12 G Parker Lifter. Light upland BP shells were common back then 1 oz 2 1/2 Dram loads

2 7/8 10 G turn of the century was loaded just a bit heavier than 12 G  Shot weight normally 1 1/8 to 1 1/4 oz with a 1 oz 2 1/2 Dram upland load too

I shoot a lot of short 10. Parker Club members have had loads tested that confirm modest pressure and velocity about 1150 FPS .   19 G Red Dot 1 1/8 oz is a fine target load in the  Parker 2 Grade Hammer Gun below. 10 lb 6 oz kicks less than a modern 20 G

Ithaca Super 10 was the first Progressive Powder 10 mid 1930s Progressive powders allowed 1 3/8 oz . Very soon Ithaca and others switched to 3 1/2 inch hulls To avoid chambering in 2 7/8 inch guns.

My Ithaca weighs 9 lbs and is a soft shooter and Deadly on Crows 23.5 Green Dot 1 1/4 oz  # 6. Although mostly shoot the 1 1/8 oz target load.

If I had a 10 Tip up that was tight with a sound barrel would defiantly shoot it with Black Powder and 1 oz loads. Some tricks to BP that I can pass along if anybody wants them

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Re: 10 ga Stevens Tip-Up
Reply #11 - May 20th, 2019 at 12:30pm
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Rebel, what's your guess on this Tip Up:
* Condition: at 60% it is worth $200
* Is with or without the fore arm
* At $200 for any condition, parting the rifle out (barrels are interchangeable) just for the finger lever, that's $70 ... a barrel release on eBay want for $120, etc, etc including wood, butt plate, extractor, firing pin & block
Buy It - It's† a Deal if all the parts are in
PS: De Haas is the only source that wrote it came in a 10ga
  

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Re: 10 ga Stevens Tip-Up
Reply #12 - May 20th, 2019 at 12:32pm
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Well, it most certainly comes in 10Ga.
bought it, thanks everyone for all the info.
I always post on the forum for any singleshot I decide to sell, gonna keep it for now.

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Reply #13 - May 20th, 2019 at 12:33pm
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Hereís the Ithaca, saved from the Junk Pile, looked terrible but sound Metal . Stock needed a lot of work. Tang screw must have been lost and replaced with a 12 G tang screw, too small caused stock cracks.

Tight now and a fine shooter

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Reply #14 - May 20th, 2019 at 12:35pm
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well done.

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