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Ruger No.1 30-30 and lead bullets
Jun 8th, 2019 at 6:02pm
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I bought a new stainless Ruger in 30-30. It seems to have little to no throat.

I have a couple options. I could buy a Loverin style mold. Not sure I could get a 160gr loaded long enough to stay in the neck.

The other option is to ream the throat. I have a piolted reamer I use for my 9mm Glock bbls. It works fine but not sure about using a throat reamer by hand on a rifle.

Any one loading for a No.1 or have any advice for lead bullets in a gun without a throat.
  
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Re: Ruger No.1 30-30 and lead bullets
Reply #1 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 7:03pm
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A bore rider similar to the Lyman 311299 or a 311041 may do the trick without reaming.
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 7:30pm
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Does the modern Winchester 94 have a throat? I don't know, but mine sure likes the 311041 (or the 31141, I have both, no diff). Let me rephrase that, there is a difference in the molds but not the results.
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 7:50pm
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What is the actual bad experience you are having with the rifle and its current throat design?
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 8:17pm
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Another  important factor will be What Twist
is that Ruger No 1 30-30 barrel????
If it is a 10 twist, I would definitely try the 311299 bullet
nom 200 gr. It is Very Accurate in 10 twist 30-06 rifles of mine. And it has a short body, long bore ride nose. Fits nicely in a couple of 30 cal chambers that have no freebore and only a short leade.
Some people have found recent Lyman 311299 molds to exhibit less quality, varying dimensions.
Take a look at the NOE list: they have their version of the  311299 and their molds are superb.


I had an early T/C Contender 30-30 barrel  that was
in 14 twist. I found that the 311466, the nom 150 gr
Loverin was "the way to go".  Longer bullets were distinctly less accurate.
Newer T/C 30 cal barrels are 10 twist.
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Reply #5 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 9:08pm
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Yes, the 94 is 12 twist and the Ruger #1 is 10 twist. 311284 is extremely accurate in my 10 twist Krag.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 9:36pm
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I shoot the 311284 in my 10 twist 06 and Shiloh 30/40 . Both have no leade in the throat and shoot very well.
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 10:10pm
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JLouis wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 7:50pm:
What is the actual bad experience you are having with the rifle and its current throat design?



I cant use my current molds. I would like it throated for 311299.
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 10:35pm
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Gard,
It may be that your 311299 bullet has a bore ride
at larger diameter than your land diameter.
Throating will not be the answer.
Some people do nose sizing of the bore ride to fit
a given barrel.  NOE has such nose sizing dies in several
sizes such as 0.301".
NOW:
The-Lyman 311291, nom 170 gr was designed for 30-30   and historically has been a very accurate bullet in most 30 cals. I have used it extensively over the years in '06,   30-30, 30 SCBS with match winning accuracy.  I expect you would have no problem in your rifle since this bullet has a shorter nose.
Again, NOE makes a copy of it.
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Reply #9 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 11:02pm
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Permit me to second beltfed's suggestion. I have been casting the 311291 bullet since the 70's, and it has perfomed well in a number of rifles.

Cheers...   Jim
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 9th, 2019 at 8:57am
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My intentions when I bought the gun was to shoot a 170-200 great bullet around 1400fps.

The throat in the gun will not allow me to use the molds I have. (I own a lot of 30 Cal molds)

The reason I brought up the light Loverin bullet is because it has very little bullet sticking out of the case (I don't own this mold)

Ordering a piloted throat reamer that is the size of the nose of my cast bullets would allow them to chamber.

I'm really interested in someone that has experience with hand throating thier rifle. I don't want to screw up the throat.
  
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Reply #11 - Jun 9th, 2019 at 9:45am
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Do a chamber cast and match the mould to your chamber.
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 9th, 2019 at 11:09am
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Thanks Gard72977 makes total sense. A throating reamer is probably not something you might want to try using if you do not have any prior experience using one. You might want to think about possibly sizing your bullets down as being another option.
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 9th, 2019 at 7:41pm
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Gard:  A Ruger #1 is particularly troublesome to throat without removing the barrel from the receiver.  The problem is the little lip at the rear of the cartridge trough designed to deflect an ejected cartridge case. It sticks up close to the bore line.  Takes a very slim reamer extension to go straight onto the chamber.  Tricky.

Don't ask how I know....!!!!
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 9th, 2019 at 9:12pm
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AndyZ wrote on Jun 9th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
Gard:  A Ruger #1 is particularly troublesome to throat without removing the barrel from the receiver.  The problem is the little lip at the rear of the cartridge trough designed to deflect an ejected cartridge case. It sticks up close to the bore line.  Takes a very slim reamer extension to go straight onto the chamber.  Tricky.

Don't ask how I know....!!!!


Thanks for the first hand information.

My current molds would require seating the bullet very deep. Depending on the bullet this causes problems. On some molds the 311299 ( noe copy) the front band would be down inside the neck. Most would have the GC down in the case. Although this seems to work for a lot of people I would prefer the GC to be in the neck

I'm going to do a chanber cast. I guess I will buy be a mold that works with the current throat or have a gunsmith throat it.

I have too many gun project going to spend a lot of money on this one right now. I may just shoot up some partial boxes of jacketed bullets that I have accumulated.

In the end I want it throated for a heavy lead bullet. Probably the 311299


  
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