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Hi Wall problem and questions update
Jun 24th, 2019 at 6:31pm
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Well I did what Dave suggested.  Removed the block, hammer, extractor & lever with not much problem.  The extractor does not look like it is cut correctly, so I may have to replace that if it fails to extract properly.  Now, with that fake screw in the top tang removed, I thought the lower tang and stock would come off in one unit.  No go, not even a little bit.  Tried a long brass punch in through the main spring hole and tapped it fairly hard with a hammer.  Not the slightest hint of movement.  Soaking the tenons with Kroil for a couple of days and will try again.  How tight are those tenons supposed to be in the frame mortises?
  
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Reply #1 - Jun 24th, 2019 at 7:18pm
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They are a good, snug fit, but that's not the real trouble. It's because the trigger tang is wanting to slide in a direction that is just drawing it tighter to the wood. Did you ever remove the buttplate to see if there is a bolt through there?
If not, I bet you need to drill that stupid screw out or whittle the stock to toothpicks and replace it after you get a proper screw. Sorry to be so negative, but old guns and old cars can be real messed up and still look good.
  

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Reply #2 - Jun 24th, 2019 at 7:36pm
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One other scenario, is that it could be epoxied in. A glass bedding gone wrong.

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Reply #3 - Jun 24th, 2019 at 8:12pm
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There is no stock bolt.  Frank, I think you may be right.  The forearm is heavily bedded, so although I don't see any glass around the tangs, it probably got glassed too.  Think I'll just put it back together.
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 24th, 2019 at 10:31pm
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Well, I didn't think of that one- bummer. Going to make cleaning and oiling the innards a lot tougher. Might be worth chiseling that stock off and replacing it just to have that available.
  

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Reply #5 - Jun 25th, 2019 at 10:23am
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If you are leaving it together you might do as I do my browning78. I use gun blaster and compressed air to clean and finish with Rem Oil  while holding the stock to get least amount in it.  Got a set trigger put in my 78 and do not want to take it apart again.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 25th, 2019 at 11:06am
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Thanks for all the help.  Gonna do my chamber cast, clean all the parts that I have on the bench, oil them up and put it all back together.  I think I can get some oil back into the trigger assembly with a syringe.  At least now, I don't have to worry about the stock coming loose!!  Frank, the "glass bedding gone wrong" would explain why the top of the tang screw got twisted off wouldn't it?  That is why bubba made that "false screw head".  Things are making sense now.
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 25th, 2019 at 11:59am
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It would if the screw extend below the tang.

One is for sure, it won't hinder accuracy Smiley

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Reply #8 - Jun 25th, 2019 at 1:15pm
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One thing you may want to try! If it happens to be glassed in by chance. Put it in the freezer for a few hours, take it out and rap the back of the butt plate with a small dead blow hammer. You may be pleasantly surprised by the metal just popping off. I have on last resort when to it many times and now do it regularly. The metal shrinkage because of the cold works great, but be fairly quick! Good luck.
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Reply #9 - Jun 25th, 2019 at 1:23pm
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Tom, Never heard that one! But makes sense.  I'll try it some day when I get around to it.  Won't fit in my freezer as it is now with the barrel on it.  Ron
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 7:44am
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Send it up to me this winter.  Not the coldest in the nation but it hit -32 last year. Cool  David
  
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Reply #11 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:47am
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Maybe try dry ice? I would say LN2 but it is much harder to come by.
Use proper safety precautions when handling dry ice, dry ice/acetone slush and LN2>
I would much rather handle LN2 than dry ice or slush.
The local bottle (plastic) plant here uses it to clean their molds and it is also used for CA storage but not every town has such specialties. Your local welding supplier may offer it.
Not only will your epoxy get brittle at those temps but the coeff of expansion for plastics is much higher than for steel.
YMMV and here is wishing you the best of luck
  
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Re: Hi Wall problem and questions update
Reply #12 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 10:46am
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Just bag the buttstock and action to protect it from the dry ice, and then put the stock and action in a box packed with dry ice around it. Shouldn't take long for the dry ice to get things down cold enough to allow you to break it loose.
  

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Reply #13 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 2:44pm
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Dude, OK but what is LN2?  Vall, that is a good idea.  Dry ice should be much colder than a normal freezer, right?
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 27th, 2019 at 10:01pm
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I use liquid nitrogen a lot to seat tight fitting bearings on shafts often. Keep it in a insulated thermos, great to have around in the summer here. Winter no prob out the door for 20 min -30 to -45F. Everything pops loose! Oooooh Canada!
  
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