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Oct 4th, 2020 at 1:20pm
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This a photograph that I purchased at gun show from an elderly gentleman who worked for Val Browning.
  
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Reply #1 - Oct 4th, 2020 at 3:06pm
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Wow!!!  What a find.  Which one is JLOUIS??? Wink
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 4th, 2020 at 4:11pm
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Cajun,If you mean John Browning he's standing left in the door way and Matthew to his right. J.J.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 4th, 2020 at 4:13pm
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I'll have to look at my copy again but I believe that photo is also in the John Browning biography written by his son. "John M. Browning: American Gunmaker." A book I highly recommend.
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 4th, 2020 at 4:20pm
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I like how they spelled ammunition, AMUNITION.
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 4th, 2020 at 4:26pm
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Is that a Ballard on top?
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 4th, 2020 at 8:24pm
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Is that a 74 Sharps in the window?
  

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Reply #7 - Oct 4th, 2020 at 11:05pm
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Old Solider I think your your right that looks like a Sharp's rifle in the window. J.J.
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 5th, 2020 at 12:29am
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I don't know when I first saw a Sharps Borchardt, but my father had a really ratty one that I took apart and tried to clean-up, but it was beyond hope. That would have been about 1960 I guess, but I've loved Borchardt's ever since then. I can't help but think that John Browning looked at a Sharps Borchardt and said "I can put a hammer on this action and make something really neat out of it!"  Wink
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Reply #9 - Oct 5th, 2020 at 12:38am
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Anyone notice that one of them is a pistol grip stock?

And yes, that's a Ballard Pacific above the boys!
  

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Reply #10 - Oct 5th, 2020 at 4:34pm
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J.J. Roberts wrote on Oct 4th, 2020 at 4:11pm:
Cajun,If you mean John Browning he's standing left in the door way and Matthew to his right. J.J.


Just a poor attempt at being a smartazz. Undecided
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 5th, 2020 at 6:33pm
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That dog looks like he tore the seat off someone's pants.
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 5th, 2020 at 6:58pm
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According to the book mentioned above and moving from the viewer's left, those standing in front of the Browning Armory are Sam, George, John, Matt, and Ed Browning.  The sixth man is identified as Frank Rushton, an English-trained gunsmith that worked for The Boys in the early 1880's.

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Reply #13 - Oct 6th, 2020 at 1:04pm
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Isn't Frank the one that brought the ideas of Rigby Flats to them?  Read the book a couple times along with a museum visit a time or two - can't recall now..
  

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Reply #14 - Oct 6th, 2020 at 9:33pm
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An intriguing possibility, Greg.  However, if "them" are the Browning brothers, I can't say I've even heard of a Browning-made single shot with Rigby flats.  Do any exist?

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Reply #15 - Oct 6th, 2020 at 10:49pm
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Caused me to go dig, yes it was Frank.
  

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Reply #16 - Oct 6th, 2020 at 11:00pm
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Now it's coming back to me, that's the picture that caused me to do Rigby Flats on one of my builds...
  

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Reply #17 - Oct 6th, 2020 at 11:22pm
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I'm quite sure it's not the lighting. That barrel is scalloped ever so slightly to meet the receiver isn't it? Like those Rigby flats too. 

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Reply #18 - Oct 6th, 2020 at 11:32pm
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Good eye, Jerry! I enlarged the photo and there is an impossible delicate tulip on the barrel that would cut your fingers getting it buffed for bluing.
Great job, Greg!
  

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Reply #19 - Oct 6th, 2020 at 11:36pm
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JerryH wrote on Oct 6th, 2020 at 11:22pm:
I'm quite sure it's not the lighting. That barrel is scalloped ever so slightly to meet the receiver isn't it? Like those Rigby flats too. 

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Yes it is, I got lucky on what was the tulip transition and managed to make it blend.
  

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Reply #20 - Oct 6th, 2020 at 11:54pm
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I am constantly amazed at the talent some of you fellows have. We can till admire the "Old Masters" but we  have their equals amongst us.
  
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Reply #21 - Oct 6th, 2020 at 11:56pm
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Fortunate for me I rarely buff a barrel. I take it out to 400 grit paper and rust blue.  This barrel does have a very sharp edge at that point, almost enough to shave with...
  

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Reply #22 - Oct 7th, 2020 at 12:37pm
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calledflyer wrote on Oct 6th, 2020 at 11:32pm:
Good eye, Jerry! I enlarged the photo and there is an impossible delicate tulip on the barrel that would cut your fingers getting it buffed for bluing.
Great job, Greg!

Good enough that I thought the barrel & receiver are one piece. Wink
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