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Reply #30 - Jan 8th, 2021 at 9:42am
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Have you looked under the forearm yet for any extra marking?
Too bad that there isnít a serial number on the lower tang, it would solve some of the mystery of this rifle.

I do know that a full octagon barrel is going to be a scarce one on a Stevens, it only cost an extra $2.00 as listed in catalogs, I am surprised you donít see more of them around.

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Reply #31 - Jan 8th, 2021 at 10:55am
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$2.00 wasn't pocket change in 1900.
  

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Reply #32 - Jan 12th, 2021 at 3:25pm
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Nice rifle. Thanks for posting.

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Reply #33 - Jan 12th, 2021 at 7:07pm
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Thanks, glad I did- I appreciate the info I learned about it here.
I pulled the forearm back off and looked at the barrel underside.
Only mark was ď1Ē for barrel weight I suppose. No Pope markings.
There were only two screw holes in it for the two screw forearm, so I would say itís not a set back 44-1/2 barrel. If it had been set back an inch, it would have ended up with three (2 new location and 1 old left over).
  
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Reply #34 - Jan 13th, 2021 at 6:05am
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Your barrel appears to be a #3 or probably a #4 weight barrel, certainly not a #1. Stevens  mis-marked barrels must be relatively common, I have a #45-44 1/2 in .32 ideal that is marked a #2 that is obviously a #3, and a 44 1/2 in .25-20ss that is marked a #1 that is actually a #2, and I think another one that is also marked a #1 that is a #2, but I canít remember what it is without digging some rifles out.
  
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Reply #35 - Jan 13th, 2021 at 2:20pm
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As far as I know, those cuts in the barrel for Pope's scope mounts would've been done only by the Stevens factory or Pope himself.  And if that's all Pope did, I doubt that he would've stamped the barrel.  In any case, it's too bad the mounts are now gone.

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Reply #36 - Jan 13th, 2021 at 5:52pm
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Does anyone have pictures or drawings of the Pope mounts?
I might try to make a set for this rifle if I had some info. My machine shop is similar vintage to Popeís, so if he could do them Iím pretty sure I can too. I plan to mount one of my older Stevens or Lyman scopes anyway, it would be neat to use the Pope notches rather than the blocks.
  
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Reply #37 - Jan 13th, 2021 at 6:11pm
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Machine tools driven by belts from overhead line shafting?† Now there's an antiquarian for you!  I want pictures!
  

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Reply #38 - Jan 13th, 2021 at 7:35pm
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Sorry, that would be neat but I have no line shafts in the ceiling.  Probably my oldest mill is a Van Norman no. 1/2 duplex from the late 90ís early 1900s period. But even it got converted at some point, by hanging a motor on the side with v-belt step pulleys. All my old machines got re-done with independent drives at some stage to extend their usefulness. One really old neat looking no name horizontal mill I use, got a vertical Bridgeport M-head installed in place of the over-arm. I think that was a common thing to do back in the 30ís-40ís. It does get hard to find collets for this stuff sometimes! I do have some lineshafting with clutch and plain pulleys and hanger bearings. I always intended to set my oldest lathe (F.E. Reed 1890ís) and some others up like that. But, it was converted to overhead motor drive too so I probably never will. Too many projects and not enough time is my problem.
  
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Reply #39 - Jan 13th, 2021 at 10:51pm
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On page 156 of Ray Smith's book The Story of Pope's Barrels are drawings of the Pope front and rear mounts, along with a drawing of the base for the mount.  Unfortunately, I don't know to what extent those mounts differ from the earlier ones that locked into the semi-circular cuts like those on your rifle.  But it's a place to start.  Also, in case you and others, don't have that book, perhaps someone who does would be kind enough to post pictures here.

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Reply #40 - Jan 14th, 2021 at 10:22am
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Steamtractor wrote on Jan 13th, 2021 at 5:52pm:
Does anyone have pictures or drawings of the Pope mounts?
I might try to make a set for this rifle if I had some info. My machine shop is similar vintage to Popeís, so if he could do them Iím pretty sure I can too. I plan to mount one of my older Stevens or Lyman scopes anyway, it would be neat to use the Pope notches rather than the blocks.


I have a Zettler Bros. Ballard #6 Schuetzen with Pope mounts, and as far as I know the only Pope bases I've ever seen to use his mounts without using his cuts in the barrel. The bases are made with semi circular edges to allow the Pope mounts to clamp them.
Pope mounts were unusual as the rear ring has a backwards left hand thread for windage so that it adjusted the same rotation for windage adjustment as a typical iron sight did. Pope said this made it less confusing to switch from iron sights to scope with his rings.
The cuts are seen frequently on Pope barrels, and Stevens-Pope barrels, but not on all. And I have proof that these cuts were also found on other barrels too. I own a Schoyen Ballard that has a very heavy #5 weight .32-40 barrel with the Pope cuts in it.
This particular Ballard had all sorts of extra dovetails and holes for various scope mounts, showing the owners must have tried all sorts of mounting styles from the Pope mounts, to dovetail mounts, to plain old scope mounts of various spacings. I fixed all the extra holes and dovetails, but left the 7.25" spaced set, and the Pope cuts before I had Al Springer rust blue the barrel.
  

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Reply #41 - Jan 14th, 2021 at 10:50am
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The barrel is a stevens. Are these Pope scope mount cuts ?
  
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Reply #42 - Jan 14th, 2021 at 12:36pm
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Sheesh!† It looks like someone experimented with three different types of mounts on that Stevens barrel.† The semi-circular cut is like the one Pope mounts use, but it seems a bit deeper than expected and to have been cut slightly off center.

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Reply #43 - Jan 14th, 2021 at 1:27pm
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No kidding. Look at the extractor cut. What action uses a right hand extractor ? Or it's left hand and the cuts are hidden under the fore end.
  
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Reply #44 - Jan 14th, 2021 at 2:35pm
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I agree with Bill. While they're Pope style, they certainly don't look like what my guns have, nor like the smaller and cleaner cuts done by Pope.
  

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