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H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester
Feb 11th, 2021 at 4:40pm
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Found this barrel a while back and noticed it was for an 1894 Winchester takedown.  Was Harry buying barrels from Winchester for lever guns and then rifling them himself? We know he got them for 1885's.  Not a single shot I know but he seems to be in much of the conversation lately. Smiley  Bob
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 11th, 2021 at 4:51pm
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I like it. It's a barrel a deer would be proud to be killed with.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 11th, 2021 at 7:26pm
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scharfe wrote on Feb 11th, 2021 at 4:51pm:
I like it. It's a barrel a deer would be proud to be killed with.


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Reply #3 - Feb 11th, 2021 at 8:46pm
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Oh honey....yes dear..... Cheesy

(very nice find btw, thanks for sharing!)
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 11th, 2021 at 8:59pm
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I remember seeing  listing for a '95 Winchester with Pope barrel.  .30-06, I think.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 11th, 2021 at 10:47pm
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After all, Pope himself much enjoyed hunting, specializing in woodchucks, if I remember correctly.

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Reply #6 - Feb 12th, 2021 at 1:34am
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He also killed a lot of deer too. 
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Reply #7 - Feb 12th, 2021 at 10:24am
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Is it actually a .32-40, or is it a larger bore now? Since it has Winchester's VP proof stamp, it seems to indicate it left the factory chambered for the .32-40 cartridge, and not just bored as Pope used on 1885 barrels. So likely it's rebored, and rifled by Pope to a larger bore?
  

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Re: H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester
Reply #8 - Feb 15th, 2021 at 12:37pm
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Pope did buy drilled barrels from Winchester and reamed and rifled them. Asd on occasion the Custom shop would order a barrel from Pope (The Ittle rifle is an example) If I had to guess Id speculate that a gunsmith at sometime removed a Pope barrels from a Schuetzen rifle to turn it into a varminter. That was not unusual at the time. Because it was a good barrel the smith put it aside and when a customer came in with a 32 caliber lever gun he set it back re chambered it and out the boor it went.
Pope did enjoy hunting and was an avid deer hunter. He always said if you were hunting you didnt need a Pope barrel. He backed that up by using a Winchester High Wall in 30-40 Kraeg just the way the factory sent it.

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Reply #9 - Feb 15th, 2021 at 2:44pm
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If I remember right Pope killed quite a few deer or I should say all of the deer he shot were one shot kills with the exception of maybe one with his 30-40 Krag HW and claimed it to be the very best hunting cartridge on the market at that time. If memory also serves right he also killed some elk with that rifle back at that time and having the same results. Its been so long back since I have read about his hunting experiences I hope I got allot of this right.
  

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Reply #10 - Feb 15th, 2021 at 8:34pm
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They are fiction but I do remember the Pyne stories. One of these stories had him hunting with an 1878 sharps in 38/72.
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 16th, 2021 at 4:44pm
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40_Rod wrote on Feb 15th, 2021 at 12:37pm:
Pope did buy drilled barrels from Winchester and reamed and rifled them. Asd on occasion the Custom shop would order a barrel from Pope (The Ittle rifle is an example) If I had to guess Id speculate that a gunsmith at sometime removed a Pope barrels from a Schuetzen rifle to turn it into a varminter. That was not unusual at the time. Because it was a good barrel the smith put it aside and when a customer came in with a 32 caliber lever gun he set it back re chambered it and out the boor it went.
Pope did enjoy hunting and was an avid deer hunter. He always said if you were hunting you didnt need a Pope barrel. He backed that up by using a Winchester High Wall in 30-40 Kraeg just the way the factory sent it.

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Since this barrel still has original Winchester markings, plus the Pope markings, I don't see how either would exist if it had been recontured? And the "VP" marking would indicate it was chambered, rifled, and proofed at Winchester, so had to be a finished barrel before it left there.
I'd still like to know if it's a .32-40 still, or maybe bored, and rifled by Pope to maybe .38-55, or something other than the original caliber?
  

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Reply #12 - Feb 17th, 2021 at 9:23pm
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I'm with Marlinguy in asking what this barrel is now bored/chambered to accept.  From the markings, it is no longer a .32/40.  Is it a .38/55 or perhaps a wildcat .35?
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 17th, 2021 at 11:14pm
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Maybe it's a .33-47?

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Reply #14 - Feb 17th, 2021 at 11:35pm
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MrTipUp wrote on Feb 17th, 2021 at 11:14pm:
Maybe it's a .33-47?

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I don't think it could go from .32-40 Win rifling to .33-47 and Pope rifling. Likely have to be a larger bore of at least .35 caliber.
  

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