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Re: Hartford Pope rifle
Reply #30 - Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:52pm
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Harvey Donaldson in "Yours Truly" mention a set of Bremmer triggers didn't he ?
  
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Reply #31 - Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:14pm
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Singer was also known for his triggers. And the three-fingered so-called "Pope" levers are actually Singer levers. 

A friend has a Singer Pope with the buttplate, lever, and palm rest all marked by Singer. I wonder if this one may have some marks on it. They are fairly small if I remember right and may go unnoticed if you don't look for them.

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Reply #32 - Mar 2nd, 2021 at 11:14am
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Bringing this back from the Twilight Zone.

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Reply #33 - Mar 2nd, 2021 at 11:45am
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Its been so long now Jerry since I have seen that friends Singer HiWall that I don't recall what his double set triggers actually looked like so thanks for bringing it up. At first look at the one currently be discussed they instantly reminded me of Otto Bremer'ss work. If memory serves me right Dave Fowler had Bremer's double sets on his Pope HiWall.
  

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Reply #34 - Mar 2nd, 2021 at 3:02pm
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The triggers look like the ones on .y Singer-Pope-Highwall. The ones I've seen of Brenner's Óre different.
  
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Reply #35 - Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:28pm
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Bremer triggers on my friend's OA Bremer Ballard

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And the buttplate marking on Bremer style buttplate

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Whole rifle

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Reply #36 - Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:55pm
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I have seen that picture before it came up on a Otto A Bremer search and are not the same Bremer triggers that I have seen in the past. They have all been on HiWalls and I am not sure if that would make any difference or possibly not. And Schetzenbob might be the one that might know he has allot of knowledge and documentation about the sport of Schuetzen competition. Who allot of those folks were, what they made and what type of equipment was being used 
  

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Reply #37 - Mar 2nd, 2021 at 9:22pm
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I think internally Bremer triggers for a High Wall, Stevens, Ballard, etc. would indeed be different. But I bet the external shape the shooter's finger contacts would all be very close to what Bremer considered ideal.
Just like Singer's triggers will always have that thin wire like front trip trigger, regardless of what gun he fitted them to.
  

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Reply #38 - Mar 3rd, 2021 at 10:23am
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marlinguy wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 9:22pm:
I think internally Bremer triggers for a High Wall, Stevens, Ballard, etc. would indeed be different. But I bet the external shape the shooter's finger contacts would all be very close to what Bremer considered ideal.
Just like Singer's triggers will always have that thin wire like front trip trigger, regardless of what gun he fitted them to.


Val, I have to disagree with the thin wire on Singer triggers.
Enclosed is a complete trigger/floating tang from a Singer/Pope.
  
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Reply #39 - Mar 3rd, 2021 at 10:26am
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Reply #40 - Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:33am
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The Singer Pope I posted on page 2 sold Feb 2020. Attached is a close up of it's triggers. It's triggers look similar to yours Mr. Meyers. That rifle also had no serial # on it. Is that your rifle on page 2. If so is it's # in the pope book ?
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Reply #41 - Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:58am
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Yes I am the caretaker of the Singer pictured above. It is a Hartford Pope. There was no record of the rifle until I purchased it. It has now been added to the Harford Pope archives.
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Reply #42 - Mar 3rd, 2021 at 1:25pm
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Looks like the hammer sear notch is way down on the hammer. When cocked I guess it looks almost likes its not cocked at all? Very short hammer fall and fast lock time if this is the case. I guess the hammer spring has to be a lot stiffer to ensure reliable primer ignition?
  
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Re: Hartford Pope rifle
Reply #43 - Mar 3rd, 2021 at 2:05pm
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Joe Singer and Otto Bremer were very prolific workmen and made and repaired all sorts of guns, including shotguns. I've examined several Bremer rifles that had European double-set triggers marked "Fox." Jerry Simons once sent me an envelope full of photos of a Bremer rifle in his collection that had a double-set trigger that set from the top, so it looked like a single trigger, but the set was on the top tang next to the sight base, and again those triggers were marked "Fox." Bremer and Singer were very clever workmen and did all sorts of nice work.
  
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Reply #44 - Mar 3rd, 2021 at 2:34pm
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The holes in the hammer are miss-leading. It is the increased speed and not the inertia that sets the primer off. So it would not typically require more hammer spring pressure. Back when I was building custom homes I used a 20oz. Ruger Titanium framing hammer that would drive 16d GV Sinkers easier than a 32oz framing hammer. Think in terms of golf it is the club head speed that drives a ball farther and not the weight of the head. Same with the framing hammer and the rifle hammer shown.
  

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