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Reply #45 - Mar 3rd, 2021 at 8:45pm
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Thanks guys! Very informative thread on Singer and Bremer and their work. Certainly both were talented gunsmiths.
  

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Reply #46 - Mar 3rd, 2021 at 9:44pm
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John, when did Roger build carpenters  hammers, just curious? 
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Reply #47 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 10:30am
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I bought my first one I believe around 1995 Lee and my last one around 2006 if memory serves me right. And I gave it to my son in law.
  

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Reply #48 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 9:43pm
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Thanks, john
  
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Reply #49 - Mar 5th, 2021 at 11:31am
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You are welcome Lee and I believe I had the hammer head weight wrong and it was 14 ounces and not 20. Fatigue factor was about zero and it took one tap to start a 16d GV nail and one swing to drive it home. Also had a slot on the top and magnet to hold the head of a nail so one did not have to get on ladder for up to an 8ft reach to start a nail and very well thought out. It was also investment cast and the price with tax was right at about $100.00 ea.
  

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Reply #50 - Mar 5th, 2021 at 5:28pm
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How about you all take your hammers and build a bridge back to the subject. Cheesy
  
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Reply #51 - Mar 5th, 2021 at 10:42pm
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Droll, scharfe, very droll; but also spot on!

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Reply #52 - Mar 6th, 2021 at 9:37am
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It is a part of the subject and about hammer speed and not the mass igniting the primer with the hammer shown. And an answer to a question.
  

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Reply #53 - Mar 6th, 2021 at 10:30am
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All wonderful information Sir. Even more so if the rifle in question has such a hammer.
  
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Reply #54 - Mar 6th, 2021 at 10:38am
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The framing hammer discussion has very little to do with rifles, or this rifle.
  

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Reply #55 - Mar 7th, 2021 at 9:31am
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There was a question asked about the Singer rifle hammer needing more hammer spring pressure and I was explaining to the gentleman why it should not. By using my hammer and a golf club head as an example. So it was actually about the Singer rifle and the best way I knew how to explain it was not about the mass but the additional speed of the hammer that still will ignite the primer.
And then Lee had a question in regards to Ruger Firearms making a framing hammer of which they did and it too was firearms related.
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Reply #56 - Mar 7th, 2021 at 10:40am
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I think what JLewis is explaining is that force equals mass times velocity squared.  So I guess that means the velocity of the hammer is lots more important than the mass, applies to our bullets too, of course.
  
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Reply #57 - Mar 7th, 2021 at 11:19am
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   This is exactly what I mean. Every time I see a new post on a subject that I started I expect to learn something. When it goes off on a tangent who knows, sometimes it never comes back. The Singer stuff is very helpful. A physics lesson ? It's force = 1/2 mass x velocity (squared)   
or force = mass x acceleration
  
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Reply #58 - Mar 7th, 2021 at 12:34pm
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You guys are leaving yourselves wide open for another lecture. Smiley
Amoretti is correct except it is energy, not force.
Assume the energy in the main spring is constant, velocity would vary with the square root of the mass.
Reduce the mass by 25% and the velocity would increase by 13%.
Yes, we are off topic.
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