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Pedersoli 1874 Sharps issues *Update*
Apr 17th, 2021 at 6:30pm
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I just got home from a trip to the range with my brand new Pedersoli 1874 Sharps rifle that left me very disappointed. I experienced numerous misfires and while some rounds fired on the first strike, several required two or three strikes. I used factory ammo that I have previously used in my trapdoor rifle without a misfire so I am reasonably sure that it is not an ammo issue. I was wondering if anyone has heard of a a similar issue with a Pedersoli Sharps rifle.

**I contacted Pedersoli who put me in touch with Lee Shaver. I spoke with Lee and he talked me through a couple of diagnostics which resulted in him suggesting that I box up the lock and breech block and send them to him. He contacted me yesterday and said that the mainspring was the problem. Since it's a new gun the cost of the repair is on Pedersoli. Again, my thanks for your replies and to Lee Shaver for a quick turnaround.
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Re: Pedersoli 1874 Sharps issues
Reply #1 - Apr 17th, 2021 at 7:03pm
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Cant speak for the Pedersoli but as a gunsmith, I have seen my share of new firearms, both pistol and rifle with inadequate firing pin protrusion. Check your fp to see if the travel is impeded in any way. If you know how to disassemble the rifle, check the fp protrusion. I don't know what its supposed to be for a Sharps but typical protrusion is 50-70 thousandths. Post a pic of your brass so we can see how well the fp is hitting the primer.
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Reply #2 - Apr 17th, 2021 at 11:00pm
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It's not exactly a regular thing on the Pedersoli's, but it crops up once in awhile. A friend of mine got one from his wife as an anniversary gift a few years ago, it wouldn't fire at all. They took it back to Cabela's and they replaced it. Probably a headspace problem.
I believe Lee Shaver is the US Pedersoli authorized gunsmith. Might be worth a call to him.
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 18th, 2021 at 9:37am
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The firing pin angle on the 1874 Sharps can occasionally give misfire issues. Since it's a brand new gun, I'd disassemble it, and give the firing pin a good cleaning, and inspection. Check for any issue with the firing pin not moving freely in the block, as oils or crud from manufacturing might be causing some friction between the block and pin.
  

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Reply #4 - Apr 18th, 2021 at 11:43am
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Spokes ... no mention that you cleaned the block on the rifle before you went to the range
New rifles should be thoughly  cleaned before use.  
PS ... if there is an ignition problem, it would have been discovered when the rifle was proof tested
  

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Reply #5 - Apr 18th, 2021 at 2:22pm
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John if the proof load was one of the fire on first try rounds, it may not of been detected
  
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Reply #6 - Apr 18th, 2021 at 7:50pm
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I bought a Pedersoli from Dixie that wouldn’t fire half the time. Upon inspection I discovered the rifle was engineered/phudedup with a rebounding hammer. Ended up rebending the mainspring to give the hammer a full swing and all was well. If your hammer is not resting fully on the striker bar at firing rather resting with a gap between the two time to alter the mainspring, good luck.
  
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Reply #7 - Apr 18th, 2021 at 9:12pm
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Premod70,
I noticed that very thing today. It strikes the striker bar and bounces back leaving a gap as you describe. I never had to deal with a mainspring issue. What is the procedure?

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Reply #9 - Apr 19th, 2021 at 9:23am
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If it is a brand new rifle let the seller deal with it not you. As soon as you touch it the seller and the manufacturer are no longer liable for any current or future warranty repairs.
  

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Reply #10 - Apr 19th, 2021 at 9:31am
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Spokes wrote on Apr 18th, 2021 at 9:12pm:
Premod70,
I noticed that very thing today. It strikes the striker bar and bounces back leaving a gap as you describe. I never had to deal with a mainspring issue. What is the procedure?

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Thanks to all who replied.

I bent the spring but so gently, Italian steel and hardening methods are somewhat inconsistent. At the same time relieving wood in the stock for clearance, good luck.
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 10:18am
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JLouis wrote on Apr 19th, 2021 at 9:23am:
If it is a brand new rifle let the seller deal with it not you. As soon as you touch it the seller and the manufacturer are no longer liable for any current or future warranty repairs.


That's a good suggestion, but sometimes can be very expensive, even if shipping and repairs are covered by the manufacturer's rep. As you know in Ca. every time you send a modern firearm off for repair you'll have to pay another transfer fee to pick up your own gun again. And have the same waiting period again also.
If it was mine and simply tweaking the mainspring a little fixed it, it would never leave my house.
  

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Reply #12 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 11:01am
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Why not just drop it off at the local dealer is that not what we do with our cars that are still being covered under a manufacturer's warranty.
I live in california and what you state might not actually be true. Once it has been legally been transferred into your name there are no more transfer fees or a waiting period if sending it off for repairs. And one can actually do it themselves via USPS or some other means and it will come right back to you.
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JLouis wrote on Apr 20th, 2021 at 11:01am:
Why not just drop it off at the local dealer is that not what we do with our cars that are still being covered under a manufacturer's warranty.
I live in california and what you state might not actually be true. Once it has been legally been transferred into your name there are no more transfer fees or a waiting period if sending it off for repairs. And one can actually do it themselves via USPS or some other means and it will come right back to you.


John, my California friends who tell me they took guns to the gun store they bought it from to be sent back to the factory for repairs have told me this. When it returns to the store they have to do another background check, and pay the fee before they get their own gun back.
Now if the store does the repair, or a gunsmith does it in state, there's no fees or paperwork. But if it gets sent back to the factory Ca. requires paperwork, and fees. 

Cars don't get sent back to the factory for repairs, or Ca. might make you pay for those again too!
  

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Reply #14 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 5:12pm
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Has never happened to myself or any of my friends. And if it should have to go back to the factory in Italy of which I highly doubt that would all be on the seller of a new firearm. And by no means on the owner to cover any or all of those costs. If taken to a local authorized dealer none of this comes into play they simply fix it and hand it back when done. Let me put it this way if I send my rifle back to CPA lets say to have something fixed does any really believe it has to go back through a DRO's background check again and another waiting period to get it back if living in Ca. That is just not only unrealistic it also not true. In fact I can send it directly to CPA and several of those actually in our group have done exactly just that. Don't get me wrong Ca. sucks but this is abit over the top unless someone is foolish enough to believe that they have to jump through such hoops. 

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Reply #15 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 5:27pm
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I had a similar problem with a Garret Sharps, sent it to Lee Shaver and he fixed it. I recommend the following:
1) Call Lee Shaver
2) Call Lee Shaver
3) Call Lee Shaver

if that doesnt work, call Lee Shaver.
You can send in the breechblock without having to send in the entire rifle. 
I hope this helps.
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Reply #16 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 5:39pm
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And that is exactly how a manufacturer gets accused of making a piece of s--t and won't stand behind what he sells. But life goes on and it doesn't really have anything to do with me or my money so why would I even care and now I really don't.
  

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Reply #17 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 5:48pm
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Isn't or wasn't Lee the US factory service rep?
  
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Reply #18 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 7:38pm
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JLouis wrote on Apr 20th, 2021 at 5:12pm:
Let me put it this way if I send my rifle back to CPA lets say to have something fixed does any really believe it has to go back through a DRO's background check again and another waiting period to get it back if living in Ca. 



I'll be happy to PM you the name of my friend in Ca. who not only had to do this, but since the factory didn't get it fixed right the first time, he had to do this TWICE! 
And yes, it seemed unfair, and unrealistic to me also. But I don't live there, so I didn't call him a liar for passing this information to me. 
By the way, you have met my friend on one occasion.
  

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Reply #19 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 8:21pm
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I know John and I have no reason not to believe him. But I also have a friend who has since passed who had to send his new CPA back to them three times and did not have to go through any of that. Why I could not honestly say but only know he did not have to jump through all of those mentioned hoops? I personally have only had to do this once, I had Ruger 77 in 25-06 and the tang cracked right across the safety mortice opening and the trigger would no longer work. I took it to my gunsmith and local gun store owner and I asked him to fix it and he said let me send it back to Ruger first. Keep in mind this rifle had seen allot of use not abuse and the throat was actually shot out. I had also re-bedded it and also done my own trigger work. Before he sent it off he asked do you want another 25-06 coming back or possibly something else. I said I would prefer to have a 270 instead knowing full they would not do such a thing but he still insisted that he wanted to. Long story short sometime later and said come and pick your new rifle up. And all I had to pay for was another background check as obviously the serial number and the rifle itself would no longer registered as being the same. And to wait the required days along with some other minor charges and the total for the entire ordeal only came to 67 dollars and change. 
  

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Reply #20 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 9:28pm
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Joe_S wrote on Apr 20th, 2021 at 5:27pm:
I had a similar problem with a Garret Sharps, sent it to Lee Shaver and he fixed it. I recommend the following:
1) Call Lee Shaver
2) Call Lee Shaver
3) Call Lee Shaver

if that doesnt work, call Lee Shaver.
You can send in the breechblock without having to send in the entire rifle. 
I hope this helps.
Joe S


And if after calling Lee he thinks it's just a problem in the breechblock, the block and lever will fit nicely in one of the small USPS flat rate boxes.
  
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Reply #21 - May 9th, 2021 at 10:42am
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Californians may ship a gun directly to the manufacturer or to another FFL holding gunsmith, and take direct delivery of that gun on return.

If a dealer ships the gun to the manufacturer on behalf of the owner, then it depends whether the dealer enters the gun into their inventory before shipping in order to transfer the gun to the manufacturer rather than just shipping.

The complexity of California gun law is onerous enough by itself. Sadly, it is often compounded but the (cough) legal acumen of various sharp minds in the firearms business. We are subject not only to the law, but a particular dealer's interpretation. I expect many retailers are unfamiliar with the details of the law in this area and just do what they do for any other delivery.

On this forum, we have almost all seen the common misinterpretations of statute around antique firearm status. Californians are constantly burdened with similar thoughts from the sharp legal minds behind the counter at the gun shop. I have, more than once, been asked to do a 4473 on an antique gun, by a dealer who knows no better. All we can do is decide whether to acquiesce or refuse.

I have no idea why I felt compelled to editorialize on this particular subject this morning, but there you have it Smiley
  
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