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Unknown .44 cal on a Martini
Apr 19th, 2021 at 8:18pm
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While searching through Guns International, I ran across this Martini #101635320. The ad states its has a .44caliber possibly straight. Can any of you shed some light on what this chambering might be?
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Reply #1 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 3:10am
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If the rifle is original and English, it could be one of the obscure 44 Webley cartridges or could even be a 425 Westly Richards. There was even a 425 Kangaroo cartridge that was chambered in "Rook" type English rifles
  
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Re: Unknown .44 cal on a Martini
Reply #2 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 9:09am
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Sounds like unobtainium...Since I would want to shoot it, I had best stay away.
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Re: Unknown .44 cal on a Martini
Reply #3 - Apr 22nd, 2021 at 11:48am
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CharleHunter wrote on Apr 20th, 2021 at 3:10am:
If the rifle is original and English, it could be one of the obscure 44 Webley cartridges or could even be a 425 Westly Richards. There was even a 425 Kangaroo cartridge that was chambered in "Rook" type English rifles


.425 Westley Richards is in the big-game class, big body, rim rebated to fit extractors of bolt action rifles of 1917 Enfield size.
  
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Re: Unknown .44 cal on a Martini
Reply #4 - Apr 22nd, 2021 at 12:28pm
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Maybe a 10.8×47R Martini Target, but it's a bottleneck.
  
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Re: Unknown .44 cal on a Martini
Reply #5 - Apr 22nd, 2021 at 2:09pm
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No way that's an english rifle, more likely a swiss one.
  
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Re: Unknown .44 cal on a Martini
Reply #6 - Apr 22nd, 2021 at 2:27pm
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Verney y Gobert were listed as gunmakers at 21 Perú Street, Buenos Aires (also St. Etienne and Lyon). So associated with the famous French gunmaking family Verney. I believe the Argentines did end up with some 44 centerfire Henrys.
  
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Re: Unknown .44 cal on a Martini
Reply #7 - Apr 22nd, 2021 at 3:22pm
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On one hand, it's hard to fathom a target-style rifle chambered for the .44 Henry round, whether rimfire or centerfire.  On the other, according to Cartridges of the World, 14th edition, page 223: "In 1891, 1020 M1866 Winchester rifles were chambered for this cartridge [the .44 Henry CF] and shipped to Brazil."  So if that cartridge was available in Brazil around the time the OP's rifle was made, it might also have been available in Argentina.

Also I've never heard of any original Henry rifles chambered for the .44 Henry CF by either the New Haven Arms Co. or it's successor, the Winchester Repeating Arms Co..  However, I'm sure some were converted to fire that cartridge by local gunsmiths, whether here, in Mexico, or even South America.

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Re: Unknown .44 cal on a Martini
Reply #8 - Apr 27th, 2021 at 3:47am
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I suspect it may be a 442 Rook rifle, mine is a miniture Martini Henry in shape. Ammo can be made from 44 Russian. Pictured here is an original 442 by Eley and Kynock shown alongside a 44 Russian brass case.

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