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Help identifying my Ballard
Apr 29th, 2021 at 9:10pm
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For nearly 20 years, I've been shooting an Eric Johnson Ballard, a .22 LR, with double set triggers, a pistol grip Marlin Firearms action, with a rebated top, and a flat top, not swamped out like both my No. 3s.  It's a 2-line action, not a 3-line.

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Reply #1 - Apr 29th, 2021 at 11:31pm
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Do the breech block serial numbers match the action serial number?

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Reply #2 - Apr 30th, 2021 at 7:17am
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Waterman ...

Your Ballard pistol-grip action could still have started as a No.3 rifle. I own a No.3 barreled action with a flat receiver ring top.
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 30th, 2021 at 8:27am
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Early #3 actions were indeed flat tops. But still usually had 3 line addresses. So yours being a 2 line address most likely is forged. If it is a forged action it could be any number of models using a pistol grip action. 
Is your action a flat side heavy receiver? Or is it the more common stepped side, or rebated receiver? If it's the heavy flat side it's possibly a #6 action. Or an early #8 action. Serial number range and which rollstamp is on the frame will help identify if it's an early or late action. JM Marlin or Marlin Firearms Co. marking.
Picture would help a lot too.
  

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Reply #4 - Apr 30th, 2021 at 1:14pm
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marlinguy wrote on Apr 30th, 2021 at 8:27am:
Early #3 actions were indeed flat tops. But still usually had 3 line addresses. So yours being a 2 line address most likely is forged. If it is a forged action it could be any number of models using a pistol grip action. 
Is your action a flat side heavy receiver? Or is it the more common stepped side, or rebated receiver? If it's the heavy flat side it's possibly a #6 action. Or an early #8 action. Serial number range and which rollstamp is on the frame will help identify if it's an early or late action. JM Marlin or Marlin Firearms Co. marking.
Picture would help a lot too.


It's a stepped or rebated side receiver, with a Marlin Firearms Co. two-line marking.  The serial number is either in the 23,000 or 28,000 range.  The 3 or 8 is buggered up, almost a double strike with the whole SN stamp.

I was thinking maybe it was a No. 8 action.
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 30th, 2021 at 2:06pm
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Resize;
  
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Reply #6 - Apr 30th, 2021 at 7:04pm
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Great!! That pretty much tells me the breech block and action are both forged centerfire. The firing pin retainer screw position is too high up on the block to be the reversible #2, and #3 doesn't have a firing pin screw at all.
So most likely your receiver is from a Union Hill and if the breech block numbers match, then that also is from a Union Hill.
Is the barrel threaded off center so the CF firing pin hits the rim of the .22 RF case? Or has the breech block, or firing pin been modified to strike the rim instead of the center?
The Marlin Firearms Co. marking makes it post 1881, and the fairly high serial number indicates a late 1880's manufacture date. Maybe 1887 or so?
  

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Reply #7 - Apr 30th, 2021 at 8:45pm
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I presume the fancy schuetzen lever is a replacement or at least has been nicely renickeled.  I also presume it shoots with typical Eric Johnson .22 accuracy.

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Reply #8 - Apr 30th, 2021 at 10:01pm
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Can we see the whole rifle please.
  

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Reply #9 - May 1st, 2021 at 7:32pm
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Nice Ballard Waterman!  got me drooling.
  

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Reply #10 - May 1st, 2021 at 10:02pm
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You never know what yer gonna get when it comes to Ballards. They're all interesting.
  

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