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Stevens 44 38-55 case dragging block.
May 11th, 2021 at 2:00am
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Take a look at this, I can barely chamber a 38-55 in this rifle.the case rim drags heavily on.the breech block.It was originally 32-40 is the  possibility the 32-40 chambered easier due to the tapered case.
Did Stevens put a little radius on the 38-55 model?

And yes, I understand the strength limitations of this cartridge and the gun.
  
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Re: Stevens 44 38-55 case dragging block.
Reply #1 - May 11th, 2021 at 4:48am
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By chance did you fit a new extractor? Try taking out the extractor and see if the breech block will drop down a little more, if so remove a little metal from the extractor where it is limiting travel. That’s my best guess.
  
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Reply #2 - May 11th, 2021 at 9:40am
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Sure shot wrote on May 11th, 2021 at 4:48am:
By chance did you fit a new extractor? Try taking out the extractor and see if the breech block will drop down a little more, if so remove a little metal from the extractor where it is limiting travel. That’s my best guess.

Extractor is factory and marked 38-55. I didn't look at the geometry of a but I didn't think the extractor would limit the breechblock movement. I guess I'll check.

  
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Reply #3 - May 11th, 2021 at 10:58am
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My 44 in 38-55 has plenty of clearance.

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Reply #4 - May 11th, 2021 at 11:34am
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This one is a 7 o'clock extractor version
  
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Reply #5 - May 11th, 2021 at 11:58am
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Appears the extractor is limiting the drop of the block. All though it is not touching the case it is probably touching the block further down inside of the recess itself. Try taking the extractor out and see how far the block will then drop down. And look for any marks on the extractor that might be touching and if so relieve that area abit.
  

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Reply #6 - May 11th, 2021 at 1:09pm
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looks like your breech block is not dropping low enough   some 44s  have a plunger that can bind up and not drop the block low enough    art
  
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Reply #7 - May 11th, 2021 at 6:43pm
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I'll take out the extractor and see what happens. 

Thank you everyone
  
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Reply #8 - May 11th, 2021 at 7:55pm
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Please let us know what it is that you discover. It would be a big benefit to some of those in this group.
  

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Reply #9 - May 11th, 2021 at 9:31pm
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Problem solved!!
I took the assembly apart and put it on the outside of the action to see how things mated up. I  discovered the bottom part of the extractor where the pin goes through that hits the lever to start extraction needed just a little bit off to allow the block to drop.

Thanks  for everybody's help.
  
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Reply #10 - May 11th, 2021 at 9:55pm
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I had a similar problem with a Stevens way back. Difficulty getting the cartridge to go into the chamber. I went in but was tricky. Can't recall the details at the moment.
  
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Reply #11 - May 12th, 2021 at 7:31am
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Glad you were able to figure it out. Your pictures are fantastic and say it all.
  
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Reply #12 - May 12th, 2021 at 7:43am
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I'm quite jealous of your Stevens. Have a 32-40 and have looked for a 38-55 on and off for years. Awesome rifle.
  
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Reply #13 - May 12th, 2021 at 8:13am
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jimmy wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 7:43am:
I'm quite jealous of your Stevens. Have a 32-40 and have looked for a 38-55 on and off for years. Awesome rifle.

That's kind of the opposite of me. I wanted one in. 32-40 but this one came available so I just snagged it.
  
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Reply #14 - May 12th, 2021 at 7:31pm
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End of that barrel looks very odd.  Should be flat, and the BB should clamp up against it.
  

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Reply #15 - May 12th, 2021 at 7:47pm
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uscra112 wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 7:31pm:
End of that barrel looks very odd.  Should be flat, and the BB should clamp up against it. 


That's kind of what I thought too but everything seems to lock up pretty parallel
  
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Reply #16 - May 12th, 2021 at 7:49pm
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Is the back of the breechblock tight against the shoulders in the frame when the action is closed?
  

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Reply #17 - May 12th, 2021 at 7:54pm
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uscra112 wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 7:49pm:
Is the back of the breechblock tight against the shoulders in the frame when the action is closed?

Absolutely closes up like a  vault
  
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Reply #18 - May 12th, 2021 at 8:01pm
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Good.  Having the shoulders in contact takes a lot of load off the link.  If they're not, the load on the BB pivot screw is very high. John Taylor showed us a breechblock torn right apart.
  

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Reply #19 - May 12th, 2021 at 8:36pm
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I just went down by the house in my little 50 yd range in rann 10 test loads out of it over the hood of the truck. I used 20 g of 4198 and a tapered  265g Welsh design.

Everything went pretty well
the bottom group is with the barrel sight and the top group is when I flipped up the Lyman.

I cast the  bullets about a 1/2 hour before I shot them and just rubbed lube on them.

Primers looked great and everything seems fine so it looks like there might be a little bit of promise with this one.


  
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Re: Stevens 44 38-55 case dragging block.
Reply #20 - May 13th, 2021 at 9:12am
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uscra112 wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 7:31pm:
End of that barrel looks very odd.  Should be flat, and the BB should clamp up against it. 



The back of the barrel on my early 44 in 32-40 has the same chamfer.
  
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Reply #21 - May 13th, 2021 at 9:44am
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jimmy wrote on May 13th, 2021 at 9:12am:
uscra112 wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 7:31pm:
End of that barrel looks very odd.  Should be flat, and the BB should clamp up against it. 



The back of the barrel on my early 44 in 32-40 has the same chamfer.


Thanks for confirming that because I swore another 44 I saw a few years ago had a very similar breech end.
  
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Reply #22 - May 13th, 2021 at 11:53am
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Trying to make it look like a Maynard?  It almost looks to me like the rim will be exposed.
  

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Reply #23 - May 13th, 2021 at 1:25pm
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uscra112 wrote on May 13th, 2021 at 11:53am:
Trying to make it look like a Maynard?  It almost looks to me like the rim will be exposed. 


This was my exact thought, looks like a Maynard.
  
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Reply #24 - May 13th, 2021 at 2:26pm
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Stevens purchased the Massachusetts Arms Co., maker of the Maynards, in 1883.  Perhaps there's some connection, though I'd guess the 44 in question was built some 20 years later.

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Reply #25 - May 13th, 2021 at 2:49pm
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Based on features I can see, it's 1896 to 1900.  

I'm speculating that maybe the bevel has the same function as it did for the Maynard - to let the shooter get a grip on the rim of partially extracted shell to remove it.

I'd very much like to add this one the the Model 44 database.
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Reply #26 - May 13th, 2021 at 3:13pm
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uscra112 wrote on May 13th, 2021 at 2:49pm:
Based on features I can see, it's 1896 to 1900.  

I'm speculating that maybe the bevel has the same function as it did for the Maynard - to let the shooter get a grip on the rim of partially extracted shell to remove it.

I'd very much like to add this one the the Model 44 database.


Do you want me to get you a picture of the serial number on the barrel?
It does not match receiver number btw
  
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Reply #27 - May 13th, 2021 at 3:43pm
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Yes. please.

And that answers the question of whether it's the original barrel.
  

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Reply #28 - May 13th, 2021 at 4:58pm
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uscra112 wrote on May 13th, 2021 at 3:43pm:
Yes. please.

And that answers the question of whether it's the original barrel.


The guy I bought it from took the 38-55 off of another gun and put it on this one and luckily it indexed. He said he did nothing to the breech end.

  
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Reply #29 - May 13th, 2021 at 5:49pm
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More pics.
  
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Reply #30 - May 13th, 2021 at 6:03pm
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You are very fortunate, Chashooter, and not just because the mismatched barrel indexed.  Your hammer's action has the lugged hammer which shows that it was originally barreled as at least a .32-40.  That's not to say, however, that you can "hot-rod" your rifle.  But it does make it somewhat safer with full black powder loads and even moderate smokeless ones.  You should be able to have a lot of fun with that rifle.

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Reply #31 - May 13th, 2021 at 6:15pm
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Amen.   And all original Stevens parts, too, however mismatched.  Please remember me in your will?
  

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Reply #32 - May 13th, 2021 at 7:51pm
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I consider myself very lucky because I bought it at an auction without even a picture and just decided to  Take a chance because the seller seem to have a reasonable description. When I emailed  he had some good information about the previous owner and sent me pictures.

I am embarrassed to say how little I paid for it

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Reply #33 - May 13th, 2021 at 8:33pm
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I am not surprised at all that the mismatched barrel indexed just fine, I have had good luck with mismatched barrels indexing perfectly on Stevens rifles. Getting it to head space correctly is more of a crapshoot however, especially with 44 1/2’s. Swapping out breech blocks will sometimes help.
  
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Reply #34 - May 13th, 2021 at 8:41pm
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Savage made Stevens 44 barrels, absolutely will not index correctly on earlier Stevens A&T receivers, and vice versa.
  
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Reply #35 - May 13th, 2021 at 10:20pm
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I  just went out to the range and shot a few rounds again with that load of 20 grains of 4198 and the tapered 265g Welsh bullet. I played around getting the sights zeroed and fired 30 shots . let me tell you even with that light load that gun does not weigh  much and recoil was noticeable. I cannot imagine wanting to load anything hotter.
  
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Reply #36 - May 14th, 2021 at 6:27pm
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Pictures of my 32-40. You can just barely see the top of the brass case when loaded.
  
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Reply #37 - May 14th, 2021 at 7:35pm
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jimmy 

Thanks for posting that .a lot of people would have not been convinced that our rifles were not original.

  
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