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.45-70 load for Black Bear
Jun 12th, 2021 at 8:34am
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Good morning:

I would like to use my .45-70 Browning 78 this fall on a Black Bear hunt.   It will be over bait and fairly close range.   I know that most commercially available factory loads would be fine, just curious as to a preference for the 300 or traditional 405 grain projectile?   I don't reload, and would like to hear some experience.   Thanks in advance for any input.
  
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Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear
Reply #1 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 6:22pm
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I go by the theory of bigger is better.  A 405 gr bullet at a velocity LOW enough to be comfortable to shoot would be my vote.  The last factory load I shot in a 45-70 was about 1973 or so in my grandpa's 1886 and killed a blacktail buck at 125 yards.  As I remember the velocity was around 1400 fps.  I loaded up some 405 jacketed bullets to 1800 fps and with that crescent buttplate hurt so bad I developed a flinch and couldn't have hit an elephant!  Tom
  
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Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear
Reply #2 - Jun 13th, 2021 at 4:59pm
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Why not a 535 gr postal?
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 13th, 2021 at 5:11pm
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Irish, the poster says he does not reload so that pretty much rules out the Postel unless maybe BACO sells loaded Postel bullets.  Tom
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 13th, 2021 at 6:00pm
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Time to learn
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 13th, 2021 at 11:34pm
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I like the postel on targets but not as much on animals. Im old fashioned and think the 457193 is the perfect cast bullet for something the size of a average blackbear and the 457125 great for bigger stuff. This is assuming reloading with black powder. If buying factory I would lean towards the 405gr loads but the wincehster or remington 300gr jhp loads would work fine on bear. Id stay away from the “cowboy loads” or anyones lead bullet reloads.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 14th, 2021 at 8:30am
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Not 45-70 but very similar is my 11.15x60.  I use a 400 grain lead pill and took 3 deer and a bear with it last year.  It did a number on the bear.   

  

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Reply #7 - Jun 15th, 2021 at 8:20pm
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BlackPowderLove wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 8:30am:
Not 45-70 but very similar is my 11.15x60.  I use a 400 grain lead pill and took 3 deer and a bear with it last year.  It did a number on the bear.  


What was your load?  I have a double rifle in 11.15x60 and am interested in different loads.  Have used 77 gr 2F black powder and 32 gr 4198 pushing a 350 gr pp swaged bullet.
  
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Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear
Reply #8 - Jun 16th, 2021 at 8:57am
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I am usually running 75gr. of 1.5F Olde Eynsford.  On top of that I put a small .45 card wad and then a 400 grain lead pill thrown for a custom mold from Accurate.  I will post an image of the mold specs below.  Unlike most of what I have read on loading for these 1871 Mausers, mine likes a bigger bullet at .450.
  

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Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear
Reply #9 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 8:27am
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Thanks for all of the input.   Yes, the cowboy loads are fun to practice with, especially the light recoil.   I would never use them for hunting.

I'm going to try the Buffalo Bore load with the 405gr JFN load.   I also like the Remington 405gr Core-Lokt. 

I'll see which one shoots the best in my rifle and go with it.

  
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Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear
Reply #10 - Jun 23rd, 2021 at 10:55am
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Glad you chose the 405 grain bullet which has better Knock Down power.

Using that bullet you have a Taylor Knock Down Power of 30 shooting it at 1,165 fps and can go up to a Knock Down Power of 47 shooting at 1,800 fps.

For comparison a 173 grain .303 has a Knock Down Power of 18 and a 180 grain .30-06  has a Knock Down Power of 21.8 even though they are shooting at faster velocities.

More than adequate for black bears - I have shot many of them with a 150 grain .30-30.
  
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Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear
Reply #11 - Jun 24th, 2021 at 11:56am
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Reply #12 - Jun 24th, 2021 at 2:17pm
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OldMaineWoodsman wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 8:34am:
Good morning:

I would like to use my .45-70 Browning 78 this fall on a Black Bear hunt.   It will be over bait and fairly close range.   I know that most commercially available factory loads would be fine, just curious as to a preference for the 300 or traditional 405 grain projectile?   I don't reload, and would like to hear some experience.   Thanks in advance for any input.


If you don't hand load ammo, are you just wondering? ...And going to shoot factory ammo I assume.   
I guess I don't really know what you are trying to learn.  It does no good to offer bullet and powder and velocity level advice if you are shooting store ammo.
Not trying to be a jerk, just wondering what you are really trying to ask? 
  
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Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear
Reply #13 - Jun 24th, 2021 at 3:20pm
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I think he was asking whether to use factory 300s or factory 405s.
  
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Re: .45-70 load for Black Bear
Reply #14 - Jun 24th, 2021 at 4:58pm
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Okay. I reread it with your reply in mind and I agree.
  
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