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Reply #15 - Oct 16th, 2021 at 9:02am
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Rodney, you got me all excited now  Grin  Please give me some more details on the first and third rifle in the illustration. Found the patent for the third one and it is nothing like it. Found nothing on the Joslyn. Those two look like my ideal projects
  
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Reply #16 - Oct 16th, 2021 at 1:11pm
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Rodney,
Thanks for posting the pictures of the Spencer rifle submitted for the Army trials of 1872.
I was impressed by the differences between the patent drawings and the action frame shape, used by Spencer, in his submitted rifle. His submitted rifle looks more like a Ballard than a Spencer.
He also used a sliding extractor and I sure would love to see the details of how Spencer's extractor worked.
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Attached is a photo of a full sized Spencer single shot rifle. The breechblock drops down enough that the larger cartridges are easily chambered.
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Reply #17 - Oct 16th, 2021 at 3:18pm
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Picture of an original .56-50 1865 Burnside Spencer with the Stabler Cut-Off Device.

The M 1860 M1861 M1865 M1871 Spencer Models have a different receiver design.

What is the Model you have modified - a M1873?
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Reply #18 - Oct 16th, 2021 at 3:22pm
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Chipmaker, I doff my hat. That is a beaut. VERY WELL DONE. It is amazing how both of us, a couple of thousand miles apart have done away with that unsightly lump at the bottom of the action in the Spencer  Shocked  I have resized and superimposed your action picture in my CAD and found that your dimensions from the centre of the barrel bore to the top of the action is much bigger than mine. Hence my apprehension at 45-90 or 100. You have shown me a way out, but as my late wife would say, it would be cute to have a big brother and little sister combo, so I will stick to 45-70. 

Once again well done. Did you document your build and post it anywhere?
  
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Reply #19 - Oct 16th, 2021 at 3:28pm
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Schuetzendave, could I trouble you for a picture from the top of the action, with the breach open and showing the device in action.  This is purely for my pruient interest as I have never seen such a device and actually only two repeating Spencers in my life
  
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Reply #20 - Oct 16th, 2021 at 3:39pm
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The Stabler Cut-Off Device is the part between the trigger and the block.
It is turned sideways or backwards  for either use as a single shot or as a repeater.
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Reply #21 - Oct 16th, 2021 at 3:42pm
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I am doing my best to minimize my ignorance here  Grin The device would be there to block rounds from coming up from the tube mag in the butt. Is that correct?   

BTW thanks for the image
  
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Reply #22 - Oct 16th, 2021 at 3:43pm
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Yes it actually stops the block from dropping low enough for the bullets to be inserted above the block from the repeater tube.
  
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Reply #23 - Oct 16th, 2021 at 3:57pm
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Thank you. I have just been looking it up. Such a simple device really. Make one wonder why Spencer never thought of it himself. Admittedly it was an era, when rapid fire was selling, but soon after  even the Brits used a cutoff in the early Lee Enfields ( the admin were penny pinchers who were worried that the ignorant foot soldier would shoot off too many rounds  )
  
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Reply #24 - Oct 16th, 2021 at 4:27pm
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I was just alerted to this thread and thought I would post. Here is a picture of my Romano Spencer SS in 50-90. I spoke with Larry Romano at length about this rifle and he told me he built it from the patent drawings. The story goes that Spencer sold the rights to his repeater to Winchester who made him sign a noncompete that prevented him from building another repeater. He built the single shot and submitted samples to the Ordinance Board for testing during the trials of 1873. I read that the Spencer did very well but it appears the fix was in and the award went to the Springfield. I understand that there are two rifles remaining from the trials located in a museum in Washington DC but I have not been able to locate them. Larry Romano is an excellent gun maker and a fine craftsman. His work it top notch and my rifle shoots exceptionally well. He is off the internet because some claim jumper bought his domain name and he is trying to get it back. I believe it is some fallout from the covid pandemic that caused it. Anyway, sorry for rambling. Here is the photo. Thanks, ratseye

  
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Reply #25 - Oct 17th, 2021 at 8:33am
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ratseye, would you be so kind as to take a close up picture of the open action with the extractor in play?  I made two versions of the extractor a 3 oclock one that did not work and a 6 oclock one that I am not very happy with.  The one done by chipmaker above gave me some ideas, but wondered how Mr Romano sorted it out.
  
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Reply #26 - Oct 17th, 2021 at 11:57am
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Mqabbi Here is the information on the other two guns in the photo with the Spencer.
  
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Reply #27 - Oct 17th, 2021 at 12:00pm
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Next one. Bruce Nelson found this on the Internet I will have to ask him where it might’ve been scribed.
  
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Reply #28 - Oct 17th, 2021 at 1:14pm
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No. I didn't document my build or publish it.
Ratseye and those trying to find an original Spencer single shot rifle
The curators of the NRA, Smithsonian and Cody museums told me that they searched their collections and could find no examples of the Spencer SS.
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Reply #29 - Oct 17th, 2021 at 1:41pm
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Mqabbi, in my 50-90 the extractor is an integral part of the breech block. There is an extension of the radius on the bottom of the breech block that catches the rim and pulls the case out. The large diameter of the case permits it. Thanks, ratseye
  
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