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Jul 25th, 2021 at 7:02pm
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I just got back from a big gunshow near DC. About 90% of what is there is crap. But a few nuggets always seem to hidden among it. As I strolled past a gun collector club's table, I saw a couple plastic bags full of brass. Out of the corner of my eye, I caught the word BALLARD written on the bags. It was stated to be new made .44-75 Ballard. 20 unfired, 30 fired. 

I only have one Ballard, a .44 rimfire. Admittedly, I know very little about Ballards, and nothing about this cartridge. I didnt need it, but they were so cheap that I just couldnt walk away. The unfired cases are stamped 45 Basic, the others have no headstamp. 

An interesting find. Maybe I need to start looking for a rifle to go with the brass  Grin
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 25th, 2021 at 7:30pm
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Probably one of the rarest calibers to find in a forged Ballard. Hope you find one, but don't hold your breath until you do!
  

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Reply #2 - Jul 26th, 2021 at 5:22am
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I used to own a 4 1/2 A1 mid range Ballard chambered in 44-75
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 26th, 2021 at 9:51am
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So what is the bore/groove size of these Ballard .44-75 rifles?  Are they similar to a Sharps/Remington .44-77?
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 26th, 2021 at 1:44pm
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Since they were paper patch barrels, they used a @.446" diameter bullet with two wraps of paper, which ended up @.452" diameter. The groove diameter of the barrels usually runs around that groove diameter for most Ballard .44 rifle caliber barrels.
  

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Reply #5 - Jul 26th, 2021 at 2:26pm
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marlinguy wrote on Jul 26th, 2021 at 1:44pm:
Since they were paper patch barrels, they used a @.446" diameter bullet with two wraps of paper, which ended up @.452" diameter. The groove diameter of the barrels usually runs around that groove diameter for most Ballard .44 rifle caliber barrels.


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Reply #6 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 7:22am
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Nice find Ndnchf. Could you do me a big favor and measure the dimensions of one of the fired .44/75 cases? I'd like to compare it with the chamber cast from my Ballard Pacific. Previous owner told me it was a .44/75 but I'm still trying to figure out what it actually is. It's a real oddball with a bore dia. of .422" & groove of .434" with a long freebore section.
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Reply #7 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 7:41am
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Spud - I measured 2 fired cases, this is what I found. As can be seen in the above photo, it has a slight bottleneck.
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Reply #8 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 7:48am
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Thanks Steve....boy, that was quick work! That's a big help. I didn't realise that the .44/75 had that bottle neck.
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Reply #9 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 8:09am
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Apparently so. It can be seen on the unfired case, but it is more pronounced in the fireformed case. I wish I knew what rifle they were fired in.
  
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Reply #10 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 10:28am
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.44-75 Ballard is not a bottleneck case, so if the cases has a bottleneck it wasn't fired in an original .44-75 Ballard chamber. 
Dutcher shows most of the factory cartridges onp.308-309 of his book, and you can see it's a straight walled cartridge. There were Ballard rifles chambered in bottleneck cases, but I believe none of them were Ballard chamberings.

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That's a very odd cartridge. Is this an original barrel, or has it been rebarreled, or modified? I'm unaware of any Ballard with a groove around .434"? The length seems right for some Ballard cartridges, but not much else. Looks similar to .40-72 Win., but the groove is too small on the .40-72. Wonder if somebody recut the rifling to repair a bad bore?
  

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Reply #11 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 4:46pm
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44-75 Ballard next to 44-100 Ballard
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 5:46pm
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Well these definately have a slight bottleneck. They must have been used in a non-original barrel. No matter, they can be reformed to something more useful if needed. I paid $20 for all, so it was still a great deal  Smiley
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 29th, 2021 at 1:24am
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Vall, I agree that this chambering in my Pacific is really odd. The barrel appears to be original Marlin with matching serial number to action. I suppose it could have been an old recut but why to those specs? Makes no sense at all. The closest cartridge I can find is the Rem .44/90 or 100 straight (2.60" case) but again that is listed as using a .442" PP bullet.
Anyway it shoots well.
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Reply #14 - Jul 29th, 2021 at 10:36am
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Spud wrote on Jul 29th, 2021 at 1:24am:
Vall, I agree that this chambering in my Pacific is really odd. The barrel appears to be original Marlin with matching serial number to action. I suppose it could have been an old recut but why to those specs? Makes no sense at all. The closest cartridge I can find is the Rem .44/90 or 100 straight (2.60" case) but again that is listed as using a .442" PP bullet.
Anyway it shoots well.
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Same here. I looked through all my references and found similar case dimensions, but with larger necks, and bullet diameters. 
As long as you have a bullet that shoots well, and can load for it, that's all that really matters.
  

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